To Western Alliance (Terran Colonial Eagles)

After your recent ingame name change, you have hacked a lot of chars of so called "squads" of Western Alliance, or simply individuals, that are just fighting on your side but are not part of your clan TCEagles.

This will now stop and be clarified, or your reputation will be deleted.

Your clan description does not mention any squad, nor any explanation of who actually belongs to your clan and who doesnt.

Essentially regarding clan missions, the clan rep system has not been designed to unite multiple clans under an "alliance" reptag.

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 16:12

Ok let me axplain we didnt hack anybody under WA tag who is not officaly member of WA or so called Western Alliance.

All offical Squadrons are members on http://alliance.mindless999.net

TCEagles, CFF, CURE, 45th if you would carefully read description... you could notice that.

There have been several rumors couple alliance Squadrons managed to escape oblivion and follow coordinates of their sleeperships. Two now known original Squadrons from solar sector that managed to get in their carriers in Sirius sector are TCEagles and Wolfpack Squadrons, there are probably more but havent found eachother yet. TCEagles and WP have meet couple years back in some conflict against pirate forces, there we meet eachother as lost brothers and give eachother a hand. But now Wolfpacks decided to go their own way independent without support of other Alliance Squadrons, but we didnt break our friendship yet though Wolfpack have good relationship with some of Alliance enemys. We hope for them one day they will again find the place where they belong and we will unite forces against those who want to destroy our way of life. Alliance is now trying to rebuild their forces and its recruiting new pilots, making new Squadrons that will work together against real enemys.

Nowhere this Squadrons which decided to join WA didnt request their own tag as i saw. and if that is against rules, could u please check on usf also, they were inspiration of idea non offical clans can use their clan tag. But we made clearly WA described it have more Squadrons, this means you can look at that as we would merge together all ppl in 1 faction who work together under same codex rule and fighting same enemys.

WA is no longer just TCEagles , WA is so called navy type of Organization with different Squadrons/Squads and same faction , same rules and Organization Council which are Squadron commanders.

Same thing have S.T.E and uSF multiple individual clans under same faction clan tags.
S.T.E = S.T.E, Goblins, Outcasts
uSF = uSF,-=RAG=-,-]zoo[-... in past OPD

http://alliance.mindless999.net/e107_plugins/clan_info_menu/squad_roster.php

Lieutenant Junior Grade Playtime: 1174h Beiträge: 76

We also wanted to join Western Alliance, and take dilomacy of this
organisation as ours. WA is gonna be just 1 clan with squadrons
under their reputation in mod. Anyway we are to few to request
rep in mod again... So is it allowed or not?

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As crash told all members of Western Alliance are written on Alliance website (crashbx's post). As i remember i personnaly asked you w0dk4 if it is ok that i receive the clan tag ( Alliance Squadron - in past) now Western Alliance and your reply was "it should be ok". So i don't really see a problem.

We are recruiting new pilots to join our Alliance, and everyone of them must accept the same Codex ( also on alliance website ).

If S.T.E can have 3 united clans and that wasnt a problem for a long time, why shouldnt we?

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So, other clans do the same, so why the WA can not do it?? So, u want tell that to all clans?? it will be a chaos, and if u only do that with WA is it unfair to us. So better, let it like it is now.

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 19:48

cause usf members had zoo chars but u have no TCeagles char

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Metal_Gear_Rex hat folgendes geschrieben:

cause usf members had zoo chars but u have no TCeagles char

We are gonna be also 1 clan but instead of:
[WA-Squad1] is [TCEagles]
[WA-Squad2] is [CFF]
[WA-Squad3] is CURE

I dont understand why its a big problem Rolling Eyes

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Cause TCE gets all the goodies and hasn't to do anything for em?
Cause Alliance isn't a squad but a new clan and this wasn't confirmed by no one?
Cause CFF and Cure aren't squads of TCE neither they are TCE?
Cause you're misusing the reputation system?

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:04

I dont understand certain ppl cant read English ?

WA or so called Western Alliance is not just TCEagles clan

WA is faction/organization which consists Squadrons like TCEagles, CFF, CURE in future probably also 317th which would like to join WA, we also all got same char with ANS which stands for Alliance Naval Ship.
Problem solved ....

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:05

First, please update your clandiscription (HC Forum / Clanforum)
All Squads have to be announced there. Also don't forget to rename it.

Are you sure that all of you member squads know that they don't "own" their own clantag because they are only a squad?
In the eye's of the HC Administration they are not clans. That means they will never be able to apply for their own reputation or clan base.

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[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:

Same thing have S.T.E and uSF multiple individual clans under same faction clan tags.
S.T.E = S.T.E, Goblins, Outcasts
uSF = uSF,-=RAG=-,-]zoo[-... in past OPD

But they are ALL member of the Clan which owns the Tag

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:13

Kirika hat folgendes geschrieben:

Cause TCE gets all the goodies and hasn't to do anything for em?
Cause Alliance isn't a squad but a new clan and this wasn't confirmed by no one?
Cause CFF and Cure aren't squads of TCE neither they are TCE?
Cause you're misusing the reputation system?

1. TCEagles worked for goodies and we did more than u can imagine for them
2. True alliance is not a Squad its organization...TCEagles, CFF, Cure are Squadrons of it. I think all knew our rpg and long time ago like half year ago, we got answer when we wanted to rebuild alliance that we must first change our description (done that now ) and cure , cff squadrons didnt apply for their own reputation....
3. True CFF and Cure are not Squadrons of TCEagles ! They are Squadrons of WA.

4. what does interpretation of misusing even means ? So uSF doesnt need to ask for permission and we got to make extra applications to do what they do on the fly ? and how can u explain me when crusher asked hunter asked wodka numerous time on pm and he replyed he can, though he is not our member but he is CFF member...

I think we did everything by the rules and even more, WA page exists for longer time but now it offically was presented by changing our reputation description... and we have all been active for longer than few months and we presented this change when we requested change for our description....
4.

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:16

w0dk4 hat folgendes geschrieben:

Essentially regarding clan missions, the clan rep system has not been designed to unite multiple clans under an "alliance" reptag.

[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:

3. True CFF and Cure are not Squadrons of TCEagles ! They are Squadrons of WA.

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:19

Nosferatu hat folgendes geschrieben:

First, please update your clandiscription (HC Forum / Clanforum)
All Squads have to be announced there. Also don't forget to rename it.

Are you sure that all of you member squads know that they don't "own" their own clantag because they are only a squad?
In the eye's of the HC Administration they are not clans. That means they will never be able to apply for their own reputation or clan base.

Ok thx i will change also in clan description this was my fault i forgot i though clan description in game is enough with page. And yes all clans are aware their tag is just a Squadron of WA. If u give me time i will tell all commanders of clans write their own description so i can post all together as they want.

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Na wunderbar

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:28

The best way to avoid all this hassle would simply be by not tagging squads differently from their common clan. Just my two cents...

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edit: -/-

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:43

As an example, you take 15 clans and put them under one banner (in this case Western Alliance). All clans push each other with reputation points but only one clan get an advantage of this: TCE.

The other clans only collect activity points and do not belong to TCE clan. They don't have the chance to get an own base/bs. "Nice deal". Confused

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 20:44

sorry 4 offtopic

[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:

[...]TCEagles and WP have meet couple years back in some conflict against pirate forces[...]

Just one thing btw.:

Before its starts spreading a rumors again, just one thing to clarify:
Just because we helped friends against common enemys, we are still no police and no pirates! We do what we want to do and kill people who annoy us!

I was asked that a couple times and this was the right time to announce that!

Thanks for your attention :p

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Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:

The other clans only collect activity points and do not belong to TCE clan. They don't have the chance to get an own base/bs. "Nice deal". Confused

We are to lazy to make clan missions to support base, not enough
numberous to defend own base, and even sometimes to lazy
to active play. As a part of WA we can support bigger international
clan, keep own tag and we don't care about BS Razz

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 21:01

http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/ptopic,286944.html#286944

for notice we didnt make this WA because TCEagles would be lazy we simply want all to work together all under same banner and also enemys wont ask eachother who to shoot they will see that on the fly as members of WA will have same reps as rest have it.

We dont have rly any advantage, we all got 1 base and 1 battleships we dont expect to get more.

now i add also in clan forum description so i hope this solves some problems and confusion...

Kirki we never had problems with activity u can check this so we are not running away from our duty, we are still largest active Squadron, but we got on idea to rebuild WA on start of 2008, till now i was making webpage and request clanrep change so i make it all offical, but my big mistake is i completly forgot to add description also on clan forum so i hope admins can forgive me that.

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Metal_Gear_Rex,

Zitat:

cause usf members had zoo chars but u have no TCeagles char

So you are trying to say that uSF and zoo are multiclaners ?
If they have 1 character (example) taged -]uSF[- and the other char taged -]zoo[- they are not multiclaning ?

Kirika,

Zitat:

Cause TCE gets all the goodies and hasn't to do anything for em?

We work as ONE, you cant see that? we are doing clan missions and nobody is forcing us to ( we do it only to maintain the base, and not getting punishment as downgrading the base ore deletion of reputation)

I also have one question... Other clans were using the same way, S.T.E. for example and i think they have it longer than we do. If it is because some clans are crying because they are unable to defeat us, or some other reason Please Tell me how did all started at first place.

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 21:18

HUSAR hat folgendes geschrieben:

We are to lazy to make clan missions to support base, not enough
numberous to defend own base, and even sometimes to lazy
to active play. As a part of WA we can support bigger international
clan, keep own tag and we don't care about BS Razz

I do have some concern with this.

Zitat:

(...) As a part of WA we (...)

'We' as in 317th? You are distancing yourself from WA here.

Zitat:

(...) we can support bigger international clan (...)

Why do you speak of 'supporting' a clan? You're supposed to be the clan.

Zitat:

(...) keep own tag (...)

Again, you're more interested in 317th than WA.

Seems to me you guys are forming a clan of clans under one tag, rather than a clan of squadrons who are all the same clan. I'm pretty sure this is not the way all former TCEagles members meant it to be though. I guess this, however, is exactly why the admins aren't fond of it.
A clan needs to have one identity, not a number of identities united onder one banner.

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Squig, 317th is joining WA not SLF, i think it shouldnt be your concern^^

Titel: Verfasst am: 24.07.08 21:30

HUSAR hat folgendes geschrieben:

Squig, 317th is joining WA not SLF, i think it shouldnt be your concern^^

It will be when I have to explain my members why there's a large alliance of multiple clans unified under one tag where we just try to play by the rules. Since when did my rights to comment get limited when it comes to 317th? Is this cause I'm partially correct here? And yet again you speak of 'joining' rather than 'fusing' the way we've seen with other clans. Perhaps the pirate Coalition should do a similar thing then...

Fine, I'll respect your wishes. I've already made my point.