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Beitrag Titel: A bit of rant
Verfasst am: 28.01.13 15:51
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So let me sum up things I understood from Google's bad translation about Aba's ban. You made All-ID ban to a player based on suspicion that he cheats, with your personal judgement only.

I can't really prove anything on this matter, but wow, just wow. Adminteam on what's left of HHC is fucking retarded. You ignore proved cheaters for months to cover your friends and your asses, you succumb to threats like pussies, you make rules and fucking break them for your own convenience.

USAF threats? Scary! Let's unban their member and cover it with mythical logs, as we always do.
Sure-ban proofs in admin contact? Ohnono, BB are friends so we'll close our eyes and pretend these don't exist. Logs shows nothing!

And after all this you ban a good player without any proof based on your own butthurt and incompetence. Logical step would be finding some logs showing that he indeed cheated, raped little animals and is a psycho irl. Don't get me wrong. Its not about if he's guilty or not, despite the fact that I know Aba for a long time and his skill is on par with top FL players, even if he's not as famous as others. Its not about him, its about how you bend your own rules.

Just how low can you adminteam sink before you will finally feel ashamed of yourselfs?

I will postpone making contents of admin contact about a certain BB player public like we did many times in the past when you decided to ignore things. For now. Maybe you will try to do your fucking job for a change, before it goes boom as it did with Asuka and the rest?

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Beitrag Titel: Re: A bit of rant
Verfasst am: 28.01.13 17:02
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F7 hat folgendes geschrieben:
I will postpone making contents of admin contact about a certain BB player public like we did many times in the past when you decided to ignore things. For now. Maybe you will try to do your fucking job for a change, before it goes boom as it did with Asuka and the rest?


Sure feel free to, i like to laugh about that stuff Rolling Eyes

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This is getting really ridiculus, Abaddon played for years. He was always very good at PvP, as long as I've known him.
He turns very early, if you don't adapt to it, you're going to be outturned by him. As long as Win 7 lag isn't fixed (at this rate it looks like it's never going to be), it's makes no sense to ban someone because they made some weird jumps once...
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Pury you're always up for a laughing session, uh?^^
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I had pvp with Abbadon many times and allways was all ok.There`s no jumps or anything strange in his fights.Exept that he is rlly good fighter....But, seems that rules are not same for all players .....

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Really emberessing........ . I fought him often, never recordnized anything. Maybe u should fight against BB maybe u will change ur mine than .
Still no wonder that so many players left the hhc server it is really sad.
Btw i dont say that every BB is "cheating" far from it .
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Well its sad too hear that he gets banned...

After the Servercrash couse Asuka's hax, we have think that the admins get open the eyes and see whats wrong-.-
I see much Chats where the Admins where too good with BB and get Pushed... its so hard thats no one wnat to play longer at HHC....
it gives much haxs there but hey they friends so its okay???

Its only the True and if it dont change slowly with the Push we all go and the Server can be closed-.-
All Clan have the same rules and NO ONE have special rights!!

we will see...what the futre bring..
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Nemesis got banned?
Without any proofs that's just absurd.

I know him since he started playing active FL on the DFLS in 2006. He started with his newbieclan Apotheosis but we "got him" to the >F2G<
And you know what? To this time we (just some names of good fighters: Fjoel aka Justi, Halod, Syd, me ( Mr. Green ) ) were fighting like every day outnumbered against T~P. Therefore came the time, when he became our best fighter in F2G.
At this point it was obvious, that he will become a pirate, because the antis couldnt offer him anything anymore.
Before he moved to HHC he became a White Eagle, which were know for having just highskilled member.
just the beginning of the story, why he became so good in PvP.

during my last active phase on the HHC(like 4 months ago) I fought a 1vs1 vs a really good fighter in alpha for many times and i would say, that we were more or less on the same level. after a while he told me, that he is Nemesis.

even if i lost the contact to him, i'm 100% sure, that he would never cheat - especially becuase of the fact, that he was flying together with Hoku &co.
Nemesis isnt a good fighter since yesterday - he already was in end 2007/2008 far over the average.

i want to see the proof!

Edit: just like Uriel wrote in the banned thread: the reason why he is so good, is, that he have got a really good timing considering the turns.

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None (!) of us is cheating, just to be clear. Prove me the opposite.

We also are not "best friends" with the Adminteam, i´m just talking with Hora cause he´s a nice person. He doesnt favor us only because we´re chatting with him from time to time. Remember, some BB's also got banned from the server due to cheating (one of them is in TP now, feel free to flame him).
It's always the same with you guys. If an "enemy" is being banned for cheating, everythings fine. If a guy doesnt get banned for cheating despite you say he´s cheating - Admins are biased. If one of your guys is getting banned - Admins are biased. (I dont say Neme is cheating, never did. I also dont think he is cheating)
If Viper was banned at once without "real" proofs for cheating, none of you would have said a shit. Same goes for me. None of you would have said something about that. But Admins are our friends cause we do not get banned - sure dude! Cool story.

But sure, its the admins fault that players leave the server, sure... Get real.

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Beitrag Titel: Re: A bit of rant
Verfasst am: 28.01.13 20:47
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[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
Sure feel free to, i like to laugh about that stuff Rolling Eyes

It seems there's a tradition on this server. If your clanmember gets accused of cheating, close your eyes as tight as possible and start making a jester out of yourself asap. Obviously a smartest move in such situation, STE confirmed it by losing what little dignity and respect they still had at that point while trying to protect Asuka.

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Beitrag Titel: Re: A bit of rant
Verfasst am: 28.01.13 20:48
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F7 hat folgendes geschrieben:
[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
Sure feel free to, i like to laugh about that stuff Rolling Eyes

It seems there's a tradition on this server. If your clanmember gets accused of cheating, close your eyes as tight as possible and start making a jester out of yourself asap. Obviously a smartest move in such situation, STE confirmed it by losing what little dignity and respect they still had at that point while trying to protect Asuka.


You read the text from Turmfalke ?
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[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
None (!) of us is cheating, just to be clear. Prove me the opposite.

We also are not "best friends" with the Adminteam, i´m just talking with Hora cause he´s a nice person. He doesnt favor us only because we´re chatting with him from time to time. Remember, some BB's also got banned from the server due to cheating (one of them is in TP now, feel free to flame him).
It's always the same with you guys. If an "enemy" is being banned for cheating, everythings fine. If a guy doesnt get banned for cheating despite you say he´s cheating - Admins are biased. If one of your guys is getting banned - Admins are biased. (I dont say Neme is cheating, never did. I also dont think he is cheating)
If Viper was banned at once without "real" proofs for cheating, none of you would have said a shit. Same goes for me. None of you would have said something about that. But Admins are our friends cause we do not get banned - sure dude! Cool story.

But sure, its the admins fault that players leave the server, sure... Get real.


The crazy thing is that we have videos screen etc and the admins say "okay 90% is hax" and what they do? nothing.... Lol

And i can say that Nemesis never hack or have a cheat i make pvp without him at last time often with my undercover chars and he never have a hack on-.- Yeah he have much skill but no hack!!

Finily i can Say F7 is on the right side and the lie's here bring the server down !!!
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Barney hat folgendes geschrieben:
[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
None (!) of us is cheating, just to be clear. Prove me the opposite.

We also are not "best friends" with the Adminteam, i´m just talking with Hora cause he´s a nice person. He doesnt favor us only because we´re chatting with him from time to time. Remember, some BB's also got banned from the server due to cheating (one of them is in TP now, feel free to flame him).
It's always the same with you guys. If an "enemy" is being banned for cheating, everythings fine. If a guy doesnt get banned for cheating despite you say he´s cheating - Admins are biased. If one of your guys is getting banned - Admins are biased. (I dont say Neme is cheating, never did. I also dont think he is cheating)
If Viper was banned at once without "real" proofs for cheating, none of you would have said a shit. Same goes for me. None of you would have said something about that. But Admins are our friends cause we do not get banned - sure dude! Cool story.

But sure, its the admins fault that players leave the server, sure... Get real.


The crazy thing is that we have videos screen etc and the admins say "okay 90% is hax" and what they do? nothing.... Lol

And i can say that Nemesis never hack or have a cheat i make pvp without him at last time often with my undercover chars and he never have a hack on-.- Yeah he have much skill but no hack!!

Finily i can Say F7 is on the right side and the lie's here bring the server down !!!


Complete crap. Please post the videos, screens etc. Want to see them.

Also, if you read the text i wrote, i also dont think Neme is cheating. He´s just a good player - but i love to repeat it for you. Also Neme's ban doesnt have ANYTHING to do with BB, we were not there, we were not even online when he got banned. I just wondered about that thread today aswell.

"Finily" i can say: There are no fucking lies, we never talk more with the Admins than common small talk - they are also just humans you can talk to.

It's getting more and more strange here.

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Verfasst am: 28.01.13 21:11
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[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
None (!) of us is cheating, just to be clear. Prove me the opposite.

We also are not "best friends" with the Adminteam, i´m just talking with Hora cause he´s a nice person. He doesnt favor us only because we´re chatting with him from time to time. Remember, some BB's also got banned from the server due to cheating (one of them is in TP now, feel free to flame him).
It's always the same with you guys. If an "enemy" is being banned for cheating, everythings fine. If a guy doesnt get banned for cheating despite you say he´s cheating - Admins are biased. If one of your guys is getting banned - Admins are biased. (I dont say Neme is cheating, never did. I also dont think he is cheating)
If Viper was banned at once without "real" proofs for cheating, none of you would have said a shit. Same goes for me. None of you would have said something about that. But Admins are our friends cause we do not get banned - sure dude! Cool story.

But sure, its the admins fault that players leave the server, sure... Get real.


Oh come on - Neme isnt my clanmate.
And just btw: if i were you, i would stop using myself as an example of how it's used to be with cheataccusations in this community. you are a good fighter, but you will never get this status like Hoku, Menace, Hydra etc.
get over it...
just because you mentioned Viper: after Asuka broke up with STE he was able to blow Vipers cover... i still dont know until today, why he hadnt done it. maybe because of the fact that nobody would trust him (which would be probabl true lol).
before and during my application by eQ i heared some interesting things, which convinced me and seemed logical. but again: the "common opinion" wouldnt be convinced by hearing cheater talking about other cheater... unfortunately in this case...
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to the topic: hopefully alls these things will clear up with the new anticheat (i hate this sentence >.>) - better would be before the update. Wink

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Um das auf Deutsch zu sagen, damit du es verstehst: Ich habe den Post an Flex gerichtet, nicht an dich. Du bist mir - um ehrlich zu sein - egal. Ich habe auch nie behauptet, dass ich den "Status" von Hoku, Menace oder Hydra habe - was auch immer du damit meinst. Wie du selber sagst, get over it, keine Ahnung, warum du dich hier überhaupt zu Wort meldest - hattest eher weniger als nichts damit zu tun.

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[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:
None (!) of us is cheating, just to be clear. Prove me the opposite.

We also are not "best friends" with the Adminteam, i´m just talking with Hora cause he´s a nice person. He doesnt favor us only because we´re chatting with him from time to time. Remember, some BB's also got banned from the server due to cheating (one of them is in TP now, feel free to flame him).
It's always the same with you guys. If an "enemy" is being banned for cheating, everythings fine. If a guy doesnt get banned for cheating despite you say he´s cheating - Admins are biased. If one of your guys is getting banned - Admins are biased. (I dont say Neme is cheating, never did. I also dont think he is cheating)
If Viper was banned at once without "real" proofs for cheating, none of you would have said a shit. Same goes for me. None of you would have said something about that. But Admins are our friends cause we do not get banned - sure dude! Cool story.

But sure, its the admins fault that players leave the server, sure... Get real.

Ah, yes. This talk.
On this I can only say that Aba left TP a little time ago. And also that I myself don't belong there for a long time already even if still officially within ranks.
Its not even about him, your member or other shit. Its about how incompetent adminteam was and still are at their every freakin' decision. When its convenient to them, they don't think twice about banning someone. But if not - they will just ignore it and never answer, or answer generic bullshit aka "we don't see anything". From Komar who they banned when people started throwing torches without any solid proof, to Asuka, who cheated in the open for months while admin contact had tons of solid evidence against him with NOT ONE fucking answer from ANY admin. And to put a brown cherry on top, they straight up lie in our faces with their mythical "logs", which conveniently show up or disappear to their liking.

So no, its not about Aba, BB or any other. Its a straight and well earned insult thrown in the faces of adminteam.

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[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:

Complete crap. Please post the videos, screens etc. Want to see them.



Many videos were sent to admins by many players from some clans about BB members, 2 months ago. Was no answer.
Many the best palyers said that these video are proofs- and no answer from admins.
In game they told that "no logs- no proofs".

But Voldim was banned immediately without any logs. Its strange...

And he fights and fly exactly like some BB- the same win7 lags,
the same turns (or they turn faster),-
for me its hard to recognize his smurf and smurfs of... (insert name).
I can recognize them just by behavior.

So if he is cheater, why they not?

I want to tell also that Abaddon left T~P some weeks ago,
so we dont defend our member.

If we will be forced, we `ll post videos.
Now we respect rule what admins made- dont post anything about cheats for public.

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ich würde mal sagen egal ob er ab und zu fehler macht ist halt auch nur ein mensch. ich würde ihn dennoch nicht als parteiisch einschätzen.

der server geht so oder so pleite wenn nicht bald das update kommt

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Gudrun hat folgendes geschrieben:
[BB]-Turmfalke hat folgendes geschrieben:

Complete crap. Please post the videos, screens etc. Want to see them.



Many videos were sent to admins by many players from some clans about BB members, 2 months ago. Was no answer.
Many the best palyers said that these video are proofs- and no answer from admins.
In game they told that "no logs- no proofs".

But Voldim was banned immediately without any logs. Its strange...

And he fights and fly exactly like some BB- the same win7 lags,
the same turns (or they turn faster),-
for me its hard to recognize his smurf and smurfs of... (insert name).
I can recognize them just by behavior.

So if he is cheater, why they not?

I want to tell also that Abaddon left T~P some weeks ago,
so we dont defend our member.

If we will be forced, we `ll post videos.
Now we respect rule what admins made- dont post anything about cheats for public.


and you think, which BBs are cheating ?
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All of this dirt-sniffling bunch of thunderbutts are cheaters.
Oh, wait. I'm one of them. Well, in this case I have to say there have never been and never will be any cheaters of any form in this clan, not in the past, nor in the future.

(I say that because that's what I have to say. According to Flex.)

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beheviour of some players,(I cnt accuse all members off any clan,theres a lot of great peeps). they arent noobs or so, all off them play here many years, start to make unhospitality atmosphere in the game , and now someone gonna tell : " hey this is all the part of game" yeah, but is it fair play and respect to the other players part of the game also? If we make crowded in here tell us,(>3MAJ< clan), we gonna leave no problem at all.Theres no need to we get insulted,flamed etc everyday,just tell us and we gonna left server,its ok.

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Mir gehen diese Diskussionen arg gegen den Strich, da sie von Unterstellungen und Unwahrheiten wimmeln. Ich bekomme Videos, auf denen ich nichts erkennen kann, ich bekomme "Beweise", die nun wirklich keine sind. Ich bekomme PN's, da wird man fast schon rot. Einige, weil sie derbst beleidigend sind, einige, weil sie vor Manie und Verblendung strotzen. Dann kommen "sichere" Erkenntnisse, dass ich z.B. die BB's bevorzuge und decke, da ich dort ein Member sei, oder weil sie einen Menge Geld spenden.

Leute, ihr seit aber sowas von auf dem Holzweg und ich möchte eigentlich darüber lachen, aber ihr gebt mir auch so einiges zu bedenken. Ich habe seit dem Down des DFLS darüber nachgesonnen, ob ich weiterhin Zeit für FL investieren sollte. So langsam kann ich zumindest dies verneinen. Ich gebe zu, die Zeiten haben sich verändert, aber ich will damit nicht mehr Schritt halten. Ich werde weiterhin eure Charschubse sein und ich werde mich zunächst lediglich dem Help-Forum widmen. Online bin ich für euch nicht zu erkennen und bin auch somit nicht verfügbar. Diese Situation werde ich eine gewisse Zeit testen und entscheide dann, ob ich weiterhin für eure Belange eintrete, oder gar die Aktivitäten einstelle.

Für mich ist Freelancer eine Unterhaltungsform. Wenn ich mich aber nicht unterhalten, sondern zu Handlungen genötigt fühle, so kann ich dem auch den Rücken kehren. Euch sollte klar sein, weshalb auf den vielen Anfragen im Admin Contact oftmals nicht mehr geantwortet wird. Mein PN-Fach ist demnächst voll und ich werde es nicht leeren.

Diese Situation kann ich nicht jedermann einleuchtend vermitteln, aber ich lasse euch einfach gewähren. Das ist der für mich der bequemere Weg, warum sollte ich für euch einen anderen beschreiten?

Wer mag, übersetze dies.

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The level of paranoia on this server is incredible

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F7 hat folgendes geschrieben:
So let me sum up things I understood from Google's bad translation about Aba's ban. You made All-ID ban to a player based on suspicion that he cheats, with your personal judgement only.

I can't really prove anything on this matter, but wow, just wow. Adminteam on what's left of HHC is fucking retarded. You ignore proved cheaters for months to cover your friends and your asses, you succumb to threats like pussies, you make rules and fucking break them for your own convenience.

USAF threats? Scary! Let's unban their member and cover it with mythical logs, as we always do.
Sure-ban proofs in admin contact? Ohnono, BB are friends so we'll close our eyes and pretend these don't exist. Logs shows nothing!

And after all this you ban a good player without any proof based on your own butthurt and incompetence. Logical step would be finding some logs showing that he indeed cheated, raped little animals and is a psycho irl. Don't get me wrong. Its not about if he's guilty or not, despite the fact that I know Aba for a long time and his skill is on par with top FL players, even if he's not as famous as others. Its not about him, its about how you bend your own rules.

Just how low can you adminteam sink before you will finally feel ashamed of yourselfs?

I will postpone making contents of admin contact about a certain BB player public like we did many times in the past when you decided to ignore things. For now. Maybe you will try to do your fucking job for a change, before it goes boom as it did with Asuka and the rest?

What is better proof than seeing cheating live?

Wait. What did you say?

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Adminteam on what's left of HHC is fucking retarded

Do you really think i care about what else your are saying if you post something like that?
Good bye. With players like you its not worth keeping this game alive
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Beitrag Titel: Re: A bit of rant
Verfasst am: 28.01.13 23:57
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Nosferatu hat folgendes geschrieben:
Do you really think i care about what else your are saying if you post something like that?
Good bye. With players like you its not worth keeping this game alive

What did you expect after all this shit going on and on for years? Praise? No fucking way. I am a straight man and you only get what you deserve.

Look here. Its one thing about how good or bad you are at technical side of things. But if adminteam can ONLY do tech and are next to useless at managing ingame questions - they don't qualify as game admins. Shit you did only by ignoring Asuka's case did so much damage that even reading your weak attempts at making yourself look like a victim disgusts me.

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