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Troll Video and discussion about it removed, except:

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... Extincys video is a troll video, left click your mous, move to the left side of your screen and tab on desktop and you will have the exact strange looking turns. You realy think robo would post something serious in This thread ?


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Ok let's stop about donate.

Even if i can't find exactly proof on their cheats look what i wrote in 1 post - At start they pwnd me and darki, we were just crashed and then ? They started lame, they didn't had that aim skill, they didn't shot us down in seconds isn't it strange ? Why sometimes they have just godlike aim, and they doing very fast turnings and after shortwhile they lame, they dont have that fast turns, they dont have that good aim how can you explain this ? Skill can't be that 'unstable' in one pvp. I understand 2 pvps between some months but this movies were recorded in one day, in one hour.

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I think you can comprehend that my connection over all the years cause of WLAN not the best was.

So why only you have/had that fast turnings ? A lot of players have lags and they don't do that fast turnings, they dont have 'thruster boost'. Lag can't do your acc higher, it's not a proof imo.
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Ok let's stop about donate.

Even if i can't find exactly proof on their cheats look what i wrote in 1 post - At start they pwnd me and darki, we were just crashed and then ? They started lame, they didn't had that aim skill, they didn't shot us down in seconds isn't it strange ? Why sometimes they have just godlike aim, and they doing very fast turnings and after shortwhile they lame, they dont have that fast turns, they dont have that good aim how can you explain this ? Skill can't be that 'unstable' in one pvp. I understand 2 pvps between some months but this movies were recorded in one day, in one hour.

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I think you can comprehend that my connection over all the years cause of WLAN not the best was.

So why only you have/had that fast turnings ? A lot of players have lags and they don't do that fast turnings, they dont have 'thruster boost'. Lag can't do your acc higher, it's not a proof imo.


You just argue the wrong way around. If we cheat, why would we stop cheating during a fight? Stupid? Skill is unstable, its all about the person - whether he is in the mood to fight or not. After 1 hour pvp its getting boring, thats the reasson why our UBER AIM gets worse.
Every good player knows about this, if youre not in the perfect shape you dont play as good as normaly. Feel free to ask good players like rada etc, i think they all experienced that. The reasson why we are not playing at the same level all day is that we simply dont cheat.

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If we cheat, why would we stop cheating during a fight?

Yes exactly - no one is so stupid to use cheats non stop ( if that person don't want to get ban ). You could on it and then off it to lose attention - then everyone think thats is normal - one time he is good then bad. But difference between 'good' moments and 'bad' moments were to high for me. When you lamed you even had less lag than when you owned ( and even if you lag when i ping you, you had ~27 0 0 0 [ it's recorded too but i dont remember exactly when ] so "bad internet" it's really bad proof ) . Is it accident ? I don't think so.
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It's Win7 lag you know? Many others got this lagging without changes in Ping.

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So why he wrote that was lag caused by WLAN ? I know what is W7 lag man - you cant on/off W7 lag - and they sometimes had lags and sometimes no.
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\^AMG^/ hat folgendes geschrieben:
So why he wrote that was lag caused by WLAN ? I know what is W7 lag man - you cant on/off W7 lag - and they sometimes had lags and sometimes no.


You cannot on/off W7 lag. W7 lag is due to 180 fps, there is no switch which can turn W7 lag on and off.

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Sry I write something here, but it is possible without any problems you just have to mark down your FPS on min. 170!I play with 170 FPS, according to Fraps, but I still have lags.
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@Turmfalke
Omg i know. Thats why i said this is strange - sometimes you lagging hard sometimes you dont have lags - another players with W7 lag dont have this issue - they lagging all the time.
And when you had less lag/or no lag you was worse than when you had lag - when you start lagging we can see that strange thuster boosts, very fast turnings, and godlike aim. For me lags are 'connected' with strange issues which we can see on the movie. Look at this things which weren't 100% clear -
Zitat:

10:35 another strange fast speed on thurster... To fast for me
10:39-10:41 NO COMMENT another shortwhile 'thruster burst'
11:54-11:56 Look, he use thruster and he doesn't flying with that speed like in some situations which i showed you. For me THIS is normal speed.
14:26-14:27 another for me little to fast thruster...

We can see something like lag effect but how i said lag can't add more acc/speed to our ship so this lag can be ( or must be ) caused by cheat.


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Okay, lets think about this:

180 FPS (Lags): i got good aim
60 FPS (No Lags): My aim gets worse...

I´m used to stable 180 FPS, if my FPS are not stable (like fluctuating between 60 and 180 FPS) i dont have a fluent game which makes my aiming worse.

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AMG, you just don't get the point. The server itself is running on an FPS count of 20? maximum on a VM I would think. There are strange movements for sure. Thats what you saw on the video what was deleted. Those start stop turn is caused by the server. The thruster burst is the same thing on another moving "direction" looks strange but your game is just much faster than the server.

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Zitat:

Thats what you saw on the video what was deleted.

I dont know what you mean.

Thats what you said doesn't explain why another people with w7 lag don't have this strange issues.
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GOD AMG, ARE YOU STUPID?

My 180 FPS are not stable! You only have W7 lags when you have STABLE 180FPS (or atleast 160-180FPS). My FPS fluctate between 60 and 180 if there are to much people in system. When this happens i dont have a fluent game which means i cannot aim like i would with 180 FPS. Without stable FPS i dont lag + i cannot aim, thats the only reasson why i dont have constant godlike aim. (Like youre calling it)

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Calm down for real xD
I didn't knew what mean 'fluent'.

So conclusion is - At the beginning you were good, cuz you had high fps and then suddenly your fps get low ( cuz you lamed then ) ? Thats mean what ? At start your PC was better than later ? Sry man you blabling now. This is really unreliable. I don't believe in that. If you have PC that can have 180 fps in FL it won't get slow to 60 fps. I know cuz ago i had a little worse PC and i have stable ~120-140 fps i never get lower and never got higher. So if you say that at start you had stable 180 fps and then you had ~60 this is in practise impossible.
I understand when your fps changes all time but at first several minutes you was good then weak so at first minutes you had high fps and after this ~10 minutes your fps get down ? Read yourself this is really impossible to have in this same place stable 180 fps during 10 minutes and then you had lower. WTF ?!. So why you had that fps lower only after that 10 minutes ? If you really have bad pc to get stable 180 fps you would have 'fps-jump' all the time but not after several minutes it's just impossible.


PS : Look how he defend yourself. At first he wrote that 'skill is not stable', then some of BB wrote that he had lag caused WLAN internet, then they wrote that they have W7 lag, now he write that his PC don't have stable FPS. Wtf ? They change their opinion non stop. People don't believe in this lies ! -.-
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Turmfalke may have an extraordinaty "good" Computer, but even his one cant hold 180 FPS in a crowdfight because every PC have to calculate more informations in a such case than it would if you'd just stay somewhere.
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Yea but this still doesn't explain why in first 10 minutes he have high fps ( how he wrote ) and then after this time he had ~60 fps ? Cool story.
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\^AMG^/ hat folgendes geschrieben:
PS : Look how he defend yourself. At first he wrote that 'skill is not stable', then some of BB wrote that he had lag caused WLAN internet, then they wrote that they have W7 lag, now he write that his PC don't have stable FPS. Wtf ? They change their opinion non stop. People don't believe in this lies ! -.-

You are mixing persons here: Inay said he had lag because of his WLAN (Inay was the second Raubvogel in your Videos)
Turmfalke was always talking about his fps
and that comment about win7 lag came from an outsider
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Yea but this still doesn't explain why in first 10 minutes he have high fps ( how he wrote ) and then after this time he had ~60 fps ? Cool story.


Let me explain Freelancer-Multiplayer to you.

There are 1-2 Antis in Theta at Freeport 9, a BB sees this and switches over there and asks Turmi in TS to join him for the fight. He joins and fights with 180 FPS, can unfold his aiming skills to his maximum and just own you. Other antis see, that there are BB's getting online in Theta so they switch over to that system. Then Turmfalke asks the other BB's in TS to join the fight and after 10 minutes the Freeport is a crowded place. His computer has now to calculate all the client-output for the monitor, there are probably loads of mines and missiles and wasp, and therefore his FPS-rate drops down to 60. That's how it works. Got this simple explanation? I hope so, otherwise noone's ever able to explain it to you.

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Seriously, this topic is hilarious.

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@Nosferatu
Ok,ok but thats still doesn't explain why at first minutes he had big fps and then he had slow...

Why are you dont concentrate about important things -.- I know that sometimes my text can be controversial but this isn't main topic.

And btw - if he had really WLAN problems ( so he had lags by net not by W7 lag - how he said ) he should have big ping/fluct/loss but he didn't had it - and second thing W7 lag is another than normal lag. I mean - In W7 lag little jumps/trims are characteristic ( in 'net lag' more characteristic are long lags but they are rarer ) - As we can see at the movie they both have very similiar/this same 'type of lag' and they both was better at start and they were a lot worse later.
Of course they all can have W7 lag - thats why. But it's still doesn't explain that differences in skill. Sometimes they doing very fast turnings a lot faster than you and sometimes they have this same like me. Same like aim-skill. To this join strange thruster speed/acceleration + they sometimes have this strange acceleration and sometimes not.

The best to proof that is situation which i pointed - second movie - 11:39-11:41 normal, smooth move. In 11:43-11:44 we had a lot different move. We can see here 3 little lags, and he just disappeared with amazing speed. Look also how fast he did 'rotate'. Just before disappearing. Look also at his angle of shoot, and look how fast he start shoots to me after turn.
I did some ss from that movie -
https://hotfile.com/dl/176459824/45a4ca4/Nowy_folder_(4).rar.html
First ss - look at my position and him
Second - like up - look at our positions that angle of his shot is big but nvm i think it can be widescreen bug.
Third - I did +/- 3/4 of turn and we can see at this ss that he now see me, he aimed me and he starts to shoot. A lot to fast IMO. Look again at 1 and 2 - we had this same positions it's impossible to be that faster in this turn.

@Rhino
Cool story.
Look at 1 movie - 2 guys from BB was doing pvp almost all the time during our fight... Rolling Eyes
EDIT : I mean - at start they doing pvp with themself then not - and after about 2/3 minute that start little lame ( when NO ONE fight near FP9 ).
Look also for ex. at ~1:50. There was little 1 vs 1. He took me down in a second/two - almost all his guns hitted me. He sometimes had that 'amazing' aim and sometimes not. Imo that wasn't accident. How can you have sometimes that aim and sometimes you dont have it ? As i say - i believe in unstable skill but that difference is just to high.

EDIT :
Can someone explain me also that turn ~0:35 ( second movie ). Even drake/blood dragon could have a problem to do that fast turn...
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I think as more often you look at something (someone) and you wanna confirm something you suspect, you will see what you want to see. That's why first pvp rounds give you a more opjective opinion.

Now, I had a looong break from HHC (3 years). I didn't know BB. But when I did pvp the first time after my long break, first of all my pvp sucked and other player I used to kill easily were difficult for me; but concerning Raubvogle (whatever BB it was, fly-style wise I think it was him we are talking about) yes he owned me of course.

But I have to say after a few rounds he had a bit more problems to target me. I was still sucking in aiming but I know how to adjust to players pvp in fly style. and after I turned more like him, he couldnt aim me that fast anymore. if he had cheated he would have no reasons to turn it suddenly off (he new I was a noob that hasn't played for a while). With cheats (no matter what kind) it doesn't really matter if the enemy starts to turn a bit earlier and differently, he would have still be able to gone me down in sec. like before.

I don't really have a clue about cheats, I admit that. But I do have some experience with different player pvp skills, styles. And that his style looks for me just like a really good use of time with the turns, thruster, engine kill, engine stop and which way to turn. If you watch them fight (without getting in target) you can actually learn how to do that too.

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Omg, AMG. How much work you put into this Topic is friggen hilarious.

WLAN (Which is called Wireless Local Area Network) can lag even close to, or even worse than W7 Lag). Reason: The Wireless LAN Card communicates with a wireless Router. The software used on any windows (Dunno about linux, or w/e other OS) keep checking the connection, and updating the status of the connection (Bad/Medium/Good/Very Good). This is the moment where the card kinda resets the connection, even if it may only take 30MS, that lag is displayed on the server as you can see.

Upon FPS, not only the system map(Full or Empty) can make your FPS Drop.
Also programs running in the background, or not having enough cache(MB/GB) to cache up the frames that were processed by the Computers GPU (Graphical Processing Unit). makes people lag (Because the frame that should be sent instantly after the next frame is delayed).

I have seen so many situations where you could think the user is using instant turn, but in fact it was all failcommunication between HOST and CLIENT.

If you do not seem to have any knownledge whatso ever about IT (Information Technology: Computer knownledge) you shouldn't even dare to bring something up with only videos. The server is TOO unstable to have a good stable fight, even without the above mentioned factors.

If people like you would stop complaining and help donating a bit like we are doing, we might be able to get round and about of a better server (In the future?)

But instead you keep on frustrating yourself, the admins and almost ALL players around you. Inclusively making your "Friends" Laugh at your topic because they find it hilarious that a Banthread has started against people who have, not in existence of ONLINE MMORPG Freelancer been caught or suspected with cheating(Except people that think the people that beat them cheat.)

So please, in further adue take your high heels and go wander somewhere else.

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@Kurei
I'm not idiot i know what is WLAN -.-
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I have seen so many situations where you could think the user is using instant turn, but in fact it was all failcommunication between HOST and CLIENT.

Yea ? I saw almost 'instant' turn only when i fought with them. Strange that a lot people have lags and only they have very fast turnings

And btw - lag can't 'add' your turn. If i start doing turn even before him and he is still faster this cannot did lag cuz lag can't give us more speed -.-

You still talking about lags/low fps etc etc and no one ( exept admins at first posts at some questions ) gave me answer how he can shot me down in a 2 seconds, he almost killed me at one turn when he had only hull ( i had hull+shield ) and sometimes he cannot did it, he couldn't even get close to that aim-skill. Sometimes his thruster speed is strange fast, sometimes is normal. Sometimes they can do almost instant turn and they a lot faster than me, sometimes i can be that fast like them. ANSWER on this ! I never saw that unstable skill, never. And don't talk about FPS - sometimes they did rampages on us sometimes they cant even get close to this ( and no one fight near us in this moment ).
Zitat:

Upon FPS, not only the system map(Full or Empty) can make your FPS Drop.
Also programs running in the background, or not having enough cache(MB/GB) to cache up the frames that were processed by the Computers GPU (Graphical Processing Unit). makes people lag (Because the frame that should be sent instantly after the next frame is delayed).

Interesting... Which program could he on during the fight which get his fps low ? -.- Ofc he could minimalize the game, but what he could on to get his FPS that low ? He did fight so he knew about it - Are you openning program which have high requirements during playing a game ? Think about.
He could only on macro/hax/recording program. He don't have video so 3rd option isn't true. Macro don't have high requirements so ? What more he could on ? ...
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