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Beitrag Titel: Alzheimer auf dem HHC?
Verfasst am: 14.03.11 18:24
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Nix für ungut, aber es scheint doch langsam wieder so, dass die aufgestellten Regeln wieder nicht umgesetzt werden!

Nicht nur, dass das bullshit Cheatgelaber immer mehr Leute von Server wegtreibt, weil sie auf den Kindergarten keinen Bock mehr haben...

Es nervt auch alle, die hier mal wieder reinschauen...

Ich mein, es ist bei uns auf dem TS super lustig und wir lachen uns den Arsch ab, wenn auf dem Server von Stammspielern rumgeheult wird, dass Inaktive nach paar Tagen als Cheater bezeichnet werden. Das zeigt doch total wie lächerlich das langsam auf dem Server geworden ist.

@Admins: Setzt eure aufgestellten Regeln und auch die entsprechenden Konsequenzen um.

@Spieler: Grow some balls. Es ist echt einfach nur lächerlich, was ihr euch an den Kopf werft und wie ihr euch verhaltet.

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Ich hoffe mal du meinst Jesushupers Anschuldigungen und nicht die gegen Asuka, Sanja und co.

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Wieso nicht gegen asuka und sanja und co? (:

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Weil ihr Flachzangen offensichtlich cheatet/gecheatet habt.

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Sokar hat folgendes geschrieben:
Nicht nur, dass das bullshit Cheatgelaber immer mehr Leute von Server wegtreibt, weil sie auf den Kindergarten keinen Bock mehr haben...

Es nervt auch alle, die hier mal wieder reinschauen...


cobble hat folgendes geschrieben:
Weil ihr Flachzangen offensichtlich cheatet/gecheatet habt.

Rolling Eyes Komisch ich hab da keinen cheat gesehen (vll auch weil ich in letzter Zeit nicht gegen Asuka gefightet hab)

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Witch~of~Sïçkñëss 14.03.2011 (cheating) All-ID-Ban

Asuka 23.02.2011 (cheating) All-ID-Ban

http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/topic,3085.html

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Yeah, we clearly should shut up and let cheaters do as they please. Especially now, when some of them are actually getting bans they deserve.

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@Sokar: ich glaube das einzigste momentane problem ist, dass Asuka und seine bro's 'n sis' (noch bis vor kurzem) hier im forum/ingame rumgegeistern bzw. rumgegeistert sind.
es ist fakt, dass Asuka allen möglichen leuten seine cheats andrehen wollte (und diesmal sogar kostenlos) und es würde mich sehr wundern, wenn da keiner was angenommen hat.

man sollte diejenigen einfach identifizieren und für immer verbannen.

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Flex. Its pretty ok to report cheaters and get them banned. But beside these hits.. of like a couple of cheaters.. maybe two or three.. there is shittalk about dozens and dozens of non cheating players. And not crappy talk like..

The admins made a reporting system for a reason! Maybe it didnt work before crazy shown up because everybode else is inactive or "maybe" annoyed by the millions.. AND MILLIONS.. of PNs they got ^^

Use it now and give it a chance.

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Einfach alle Leute für ne Zeit bannen. Irgendwann werden die dann schon merken, wer die "grande cojones" hat. *Blick zu Crazy*

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I admit that situation with accusations is way past the line. But its not the fault of those who accuse, its the fault of those who cheat, and the fault of admins who let it escalate. I am sure that now if PM's will actually start to work like intended, and with the bug about them fixed not long ago (no more reading admin contact for STE and co) ppl will slowly return to obeying rules. Least I can do for this is making sure that T~P will obey them.. unless situation repeats itself.

Biggest problem about cheating @HC is that cheats are very sophisticated, adjustable. Smart cheater can "fix" a bit here and there to gain advantage, but actually seing and confirming that he cheats is a hard thing to do. About 98-99% of players are incompetent and can't see the difference between elite player with lots of skill and a wired one, especially when cheater is very strong even when he's playing clean. For example, in T~P I can only name 3 or even 2 players (including myself) with so much battle exp and game knowledge that they can see the difference between top players and cheaters. For a clan with this many veterans with 4-7 years of game exp this is a very low amount.
Its a matter of being able to tell what can be done, and what's physically impossible to do for a clean player. And even then, we sometimes disagree with each other on such matters. Its a millemeter difference, and you can count players who can actually see it ~for real~ with one hand's fingers.

From this comes another problem. Things we see ingame, things we agree on and are sure of in most cases can't be sent to admins. Even when they were active ingame they were not at the level to see this difference, and this was years ago. Technical admins or forum admins can't possible see this difference even if they'll log in and fight the person in question. Viper's case is a good example: every single competent player was sure that's he's wired, but it ended with nothing as there was no way to prove it.

I don't know how to make this work. Only thing I thought of is creating a team of ingame admins from different clans, from this "count by one hand's fingers" number, plus a couple of diplomatic ones like Sokar here to stop them from eating each other.
If players would direct their accusations to this team, and team will check such cases.. things might start moving a little. At the very least, tech and forum admins will get much less useless spam in their PM's as ingame team would only forward ~truly~ suspicious cases to the final discussion.

I understand that such system will be complex and hard to make it work right, but that's not a bad thing to try. That's what I think, at least.

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Sokar, wann warst du das letzte mal eigentlich online und hast gegen einen Cheater gefightet?

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ingame: 1-2 days
cheater: missed a fight against one closely.. i arrived a hour late and only could listen to the funny story of his fast run, after he was told, that its much to obvious Mr. Green

Flex, the common problem of this server is, that almost all players here are so thickheaded that they are looking and looking for ONE thing all the time.. and they cant returning to thaaaat one thing their head is fixed on, that everything else doesnt madder anymore.
If you are just looking for one thing.. eventually you start seeing things that you want..

Be realistic. What would you or TP do, if they cant hunt for cheaters anymore? You guys would be damn bored because there is nothing left to do and no real story or war going on anymore. The cheat hunt is the last thing that makes you get chills anymore in this game. But thats your own fault, because you let get everything else go to sleep for over a year now!
The only once that still remain on this server are those clans which are involved in cheat hunt or THE~ p<~A~>ran[O.I.A]..
Look at all those clans that went inactive or are still going inactive. Those clans didnt involve themself in the witchhunt and those clans allways were active in big wars and if there were important things going on. No one especially would say, that they went inactive because of the cheaters.. because they dont care about them directly.. but all summed up.. the left because all active enemies and possible enemies were totally fixed on cheaters and their witchhunt so that EVERYTHING ELSE was put aside. Piracy, anti piracy etc.

Dont give the cheaters all fault for ruining the server. It always takes two sides to **** up a thing completly. Start picking your own nose. Cheaters were there long before Viper(possible) or Asuka.. and at those times we still had other things to do.

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Zitat:
Flex, the common problem of this server is, that almost all players here are so thickheaded that they are looking and looking for ONE thing all the time.. and they cant returning to thaaaat one thing their head is fixed on, that everything else doesnt madder anymore.
If you are just looking for one thing.. eventually you start seeing things that you want..

Can't argue here. That's partly the reason I said that only a very small amount of players can see the real difference.

Zitat:
Be realistic. What would you or TP do, if they cant hunt for cheaters anymore? You guys would be damn bored because there is nothing left to do and no real story or war going on anymore. The cheat hunt is the last thing that makes you get chills anymore in this game. But thats your own fault, because you let get everything else go to sleep for over a year now!

Really? Somehow, Nuc-FTi-STE side where Asuka and co were active and clans where ppl were not hunting for cheaters prospered, while other side died or gone to other servers. Makes no sense, as it should be other way around following your logic.

Zitat:
Dont give the cheaters all fault for ruining the server. It always takes two sides to **** up a thing completly. Start picking your own nose. Cheaters were there long before Viper(possible) or Asuka.. and at those times we still had other things to do.

Wrong. The ones responsible for ruining things were always cheaters. I can relate to Komar's case: there was a big war going, but many players had gone inactive on the side fighting against him.. some returned after his ban, some not. And we can see the same now, on a much higher scale as there's more than one or two active cheaters.

You see, players just want a clean fight. But even one active cheater can ruin gameplay to tens of players, going into fight and killing everyone without a chance. Repeat it several times, and even most patient ones will get angry. Can you blame ppl for going inactive, leaving server or starting witchhunts after such humiliation? I can't.

Situation on HC right now is clearly the fault of cheaters. Antipirate powerblock disappeared during all this, they couldn't play with Viper, then Asuka and the rest later. When shitty kids ruin fights in action game - there's nothing left in this game, and ppl leave.

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cobble hat folgendes geschrieben:
Weil ihr Flachzangen offensichtlich cheatet/gecheatet habt.


nöp hab ich nicht (:

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word! @sokar

@ Flex: mimimi STE mimimi STE... we heard about the bug in the admin contact from your post in hhc bann forum... so maybe you (TP) are reading it all the time?
Also I know from some good sources that, I will not name here because of anonymity, that USAF read it ... mhm why should they read it? do they fear smth?...


I was now away for only 3 or 4 days and the forum was filled only with hate and flame when I logged in... duno... bit I think the comunity is F*cked up

even some admins lost the view for reality ... also here I don't mention any names...

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Zitat:
@ Flex: mimimi STE mimimi STE... we heard about the bug in the admin contact from your post in hhc bann forum... so maybe you (TP) are reading it all the time?
Also I know from some good sources that I will not name here because of anonymity that USAF read it ... mhm why should they read it? do they fear smth?...

We reported this bug as soon as we found it. First via admin contact, then openly. And I also have reliable sourse, plus some non-direct evidence that makes me almost 100% sure that at least ~some~ STE were reading admin contact for a very long time. Can't say anything about USAF or others, but the way to see that forum was so obvious that it wouldn't surprise me.

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Let me tell you, what we HA did when we wanted a clean fun fight with friends.. or even with enemies without worring about flamers, lamers or gankers which war often the case in NB.

We fought at our clanbase. Even enemies got +30 for that time so that he can dock. Even if stupid dickheads who wanted simply to lame us lost fun in it.

They had to fly 20-30k for just a few seconds fun. In my oppionion its possible to deal with haters that way.

The situation might be different with STE etc.. but the generell concept remains.

If only a little part of a clan is cheating.. normally most clans wouldnt tolerate that.. and besides your thinking.. if you aproach a clan in a normal non witchhunting kind.. most will respond normal.. or "hhc normal"..

Exclude cheaters out of clans, ignore them igm so that their e-penis is shrinking.. (even if it means to switch or leave them alone a day.. there are many games out there, that you can spend time on) and from adminside they must be kicked down every time again.
And if its getting to a weekly routine.. check for signs / IPs of the convicted cheaters identity and ban that chars and ban everything that they can connect..
Maybe even put that chars to a pillory so that no discussion are needed and everybody can track the cheaters behaviour.

Edit here:
The main goal is to set the cheater in a kind of exile. As long as there is no effective way to ban cheaters or detect cheats. Only way to handle cheaters is to make the work part much bigger than the fun part.
If a cheater has no one to brag or shine about his "skills" the fun is skrinking.. and if they are excluded out of clans, that means they are all by themself.
No offense.. but your way till now does not seem to work at all. Asuka still here, still everyone is bragging about cheats and losers are seeing a opportunity to get attention if they cheat.

Back to topic:
Stop the 10 cheater topics every week. Simply post that crap about them in the Forum that is intended for it.

Even if you are posting such things in public.. it only could be fixed if admins are paying attention to it. They only will do it, if they have time and it makes no difference if they react to the stuff you collected and posted on their reporting system .. than to public postings.
Reactions can only happen if they have time and the passion to work on HHC. More posts and wildly posts simply cant change that.

To think that they are reacting faster because of public posting is simply a illusion because you have no clue if they werent also do it the same way around without your hast.
You have also to account that their reaction is based on posts and pns way before your public post.

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(don't have time to make a full post now, will do in the evening)

How would you make someone an outcast if his whole clan is standing for him, saying "he's just better than you" etc? Its a human nature to protect own tribe, so they don't have a slightest doubt in ther believe that he's clean. In Asuka's case some tried to defend him even AFTER all those videos were posted.

I honestly tried approaching in a normal way. With WA and Komar. I talked to many players in their block, asked Crash to come and fight against him in smurf when he was cheating in mass fight. But there was ~nothing~. Ppl didn't even try to actually test him, their belief (and deep fear that their top player is nothing but a cheater, probably) was too strong to do anything.

And that was WA, much more friendly and open-minded players. How many chances of STE or Nuclear opening up? Close to zero, I presume.

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pff Flex ... you know what we are talking internal in [S.T.E.] right...
it is not that we did not talk about asuka... but what to do with no evidence...
after videos and his ban we talked to asuka but his reactions showed us that the accusations have to be true... ->asuka got kicked out of [S.T.E.] - period

than sanja started playing without mod and anticheat on HC and we heard rumors about his new "skill" so we also talked to him and come to the conclusion that there must be something .. ->sanja aka razor got kicked out of [S.T.E.] - period

so stop talking crap about stuff you don't know shit about!


and also stop glorifying your self with stuff like only hand full of elite players .. just lol and who are these? TP-clan? .. plp like blaze or what ^^... sry but ...

maybe I should update my signature:
"It is important to remember that anyone who has accomplished more than you has uber cheats and anyone who has accomplished less is a noob"

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Zitat:
About 98-99% of players are incompetent and can't see the difference between elite player with lots of skill and a wired one, especially when cheater is very strong even when he's playing clean.


100% True!
playing as a trader wont increase your ability to recognize strange things in PvP.
fact.

Zitat:
What would you or TP do, if they cant hunt for cheaters anymore? You guys would be damn bored because there is nothing left to do and no real story or war going on anymore. The cheat hunt is the last thing that makes you get chills anymore in this game. But thats your own fault, because you let get everything else go to sleep for over a year now!


oh come on Sokar Rolling Eyes
never read something stupid like this before!
i really dont know why everyone thinks/says that TP's are the only one who complain about cheater.
maybe your only problem is, that you are reading more time in hear instead of trying to get an objective view.
if you would really try to, you would talk to other players like i did in the past.
just because TP's are publishing the highest percentage of cheat accusations, doesnt mean that they are the only one who complains.

Zitat:
Dont give the cheaters all fault for ruining the server.

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nothing more than this pic needed. >.>

Zitat:
Back to topic:
Stop the 10 cheater topics every week. Simply post that crap about them in the Forum that is intended for it.

is this really your only problem?
you are complaining about spam in the banned-area...?
if this helps to ban "Asukas" (and it does!) its totally ok.
if it makes admins acting, its welcome! (fact.)

Zitat:
Situation on HC right now is clearly the fault of cheaters. Antipirate powerblock disappeared during all this, they couldn't play with Viper, then Asuka and the rest later. When shitty kids ruin fights in action game - there's nothing left in this game, and ppl leave.


100% true, again!

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You are concluding to assumptions that you cant even verify. How do you know to whom i talked and what my problems are?
How would you know to which clans i spoke and what people i talked to? You simply cant. The only way why you can or could assume that i dont talk to people is because i didnt talk to you or while you were present.

And i'm kind of curious. How do you declare "objective"? I talked to different clans from different parts on hhc, i didn't included myself in silly witchhunts, i also watched almost all videos and most important, i didnt prejudge postings regarding to their corner of hhc.

Nevertheless. Its not my place to judge or prejudge who is a cheater and i don't point fingers until i see evidence that is clearly a cheat and not caused by FL problems and filming problems. Which i also know about, because for a long period i filmed a lot.

Show me where i implied that only TP is concernd about cheaters? You cant. In that quote of yours, i am talking to Flex directly and so therefore i adress him and his clan. If that implies for you that i think or maybe think that no other clans or only tp is involved in cheater hunt. Thats your interpretation and what you wanted to read in this text. I even dont start to talk about why you try to read this in my post, because i have no intention of flame or personaly accussions. If i made the impression not only to your personal view but it was generally interprated that why, i take the blame.. but every one in this discussion and in this forum should know me already and know that i almost read everything and always try to stay up to date on hhc. And if you are already interpreting my postings it should also be a part of your consideration that i have read that many clans are concerned about it.

Its not only about spam in banned area. Why do you think that it made admins react "right now"? How can you tell or claim that this decision wasnt made anyway because of the evidence that was already send?
Forum ban spam doesnt help. Viper is the best case. If it would work, you would have got what you(not you directly but that part of accusers) wanted with that selfcalled witchhunt. And if i remember correctly there were many spam ban threads before and non of them have worked.
The only time they worked where when the EVIDENCE supported it. And thats not because of forum ban threads, but because of unnatural things in FL. Things that were that damn obvious instead of being "maybe filming issues".

Its pretty stupid to call others not objective at times that those who point fingers arent capable of investing their own allies or clanmates.. and that's not mentioned directly to you seppo, but to many clans on hhc.

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@Aphex:
Why didn't you test Asuka then? Its pretty easy to create a smurf, join enemy group as a random friend and make as much evidence as you want. Not to mention that he was using it even outside of mass pvp, so making it was as easy as can be. Also, don't tell me you guys never noticed his turns and strafes.. I won't buy this crap, things like this are easy to notice just by looking at him fighting from the side.

Also, don't twist my words. I never said players of this kind only exist in T~P.

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*plöpp*
...im Übrigen möchte ich einmal bemerken, dass sich wohl so Einige die lustige .dll-Datei runtergeladen haben und diese nun auch nutzen, im Gegensatz dazu ihre Gegner des Aimbots verdächtigen, andere aufhetzen und gemeinsam ganken.
Kurzes F1sen und schon turnt der Nap, den du eben noch gerampt hast dich aus. Wenn das mal nicht cool ist. Very Happy
Echt großes Kino, wie die Leute auf diesem Server verkommen sind. Wahrscheinlich stecken hinter den neuen Cheatern (dem Link-spam im Forum sei Dank) auch noch diejenigen, welche hier so vehement gegen angebliche Cheater plärren (Wer auch sonst, führen sich ja eigentlich 90% der aktiven Spieler hier momentan auf, als hätten sie Substanzen eingenommen, die ihnen nicht bekommen sind).
Wenn ich mich nicht ständig über die Cheatanschuldigungen lustig machen würde, wärs beinahe traurig. Gott ey. xD
Mehr fällt mir zu HHC's paranoidem...ehm cheatenden und paranoid nur nach außen den Anschein gebendem Kindergarten echt nicht ein.
Zu genial, Respekt.
Ich hoffe, entsprechende Person(engruppe) liest das hier, und schließt daraus selbstverständlich auch, dass ich sie damit anspreche.
Aber bitte, wer selber den gleichen Kackscheiß verwendet, sollte doch bitte aufhören, sich ständig über andere zu mokieren oder diese gar anzuprangern, dankeschön. Ist echt daneben, so ein Verhalten. =D
*plupp*

Aww btw, sorry for interrupting that topic with speaking german.

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Großartig gesagt Sickness!

Glücklicherweise sind diese "dll´s" jetzt den Admins bekannt.
Ich freue mich schon auf die vielen "Cheating detected" Meldungen wenn das Team es schafft die Mod unbemerkt upzudaten.

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