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Beitrag Titel: |Community| Check yourself/crack down against flame, insult?
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As some of you already recognized, there were some very bad events in this community in the last weeks,
but I can promise for sure that such bad events might happen again, or even worse - Hate me for that, but those who play here for a longer time know about what I am talking. Not that those events do happen regular, but the past has proven that they happen every then and then at this server. And strangefully, nearly ONLY at this FL server, the other FL communities get almost spared from such actions.
The source of all this is in the flame, insults, disrespect and ganking each other. If this won't stop, the community will become worse and worse. So dudes, check yourself that you don't gank, insult or flame against anyone (too much) any more, and don't use such stupid excuses like "But it is just XXX/from clan YYY !!!". Like it did in the past, it will become a snowball which gets bigger and bigger, and which will explode sometime.
Maybe YOU can don't get hurt by flame and insults - Others players don't have to share your attitude. They might get crazy and insane, and the result(s)....
So, check yourself, and moreover, I want to ask the admins if they should reconsider taking actions against ganking, flame & insults and/or also observing players ingame, maybe even with secret admin accounts which can cloak themselfes.
They don't even have to punish players to hard, but a bit every time they get beyond the line, for instance, a half-hour break for someone who is atm at the server and wants to play might have the wanted learning effect.

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I have no idea what u are reffering to, since i havnt been active on the server for some time.

But the flaming here is much less than back on my first server raw Razz
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just a questions:

Who brought that word "ganking" into the community?? And what does it really mean? Is there a meaning for everybody or different interpretation for everybody?

Because last time I loggt in game and was bored. So I change to a system where 1 enemy was. It is not important who shot whom. But we fight 1 min 1vs 1 then 2 other player came and start shotting...so it was 1 vs 3....of course not really fair. But when I stopped shooting the enemy shot at me anyway...so we moved on with 1 vs 3...and after a while somebody came online and said: "I heard somebody is ganking this guys"

So does it mean: ganking = imbalanced fights? There were no flame or something...And I just fighted for fun...so why peaple call this gankking?
If you mean we should gank anymore, then it means for this example: we are not allowed to fight anymore, because you will find EVERYWHERE imbalanced fights...even the "honorable" antipirats or "good" clans fight in imbalanced fights...

I am just confused, what does it mean: not ganking anymore?
And even flame...is a part in this rolegame...a pirate plays a bad fighter who can provoke in a way that it doens attack the other personality...anyway: i am not a fan of flame.
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this e-mail was comparable to nothing.
i'm sorry bas but i think this thread won't have any effect since those who flame most wont read it.
i think the small things could be fixed first such as wating behind the dock or attacking from behind when someone is docking off right in front of you. these things make me pissed most. then there's lagging, ganking and what not.
i think most players who are longer in this community fight fair. but what about the new players? they come here, get an eagle and then shoot at everything that moves, at least it looks like this.

EDIT @dragonheart: afaik ganking is fighing against someone or a group of people if they are clearly outnumbered. as you said 2 vs 1 is still ok. 3 vs 1 is not. maybe it is, if those who are outnumbered got obiously more skill so they can compensate.

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Then the admins may have to handle those guys, HM. Also you (= community) should show the new players how they should behave, and with this I don't mean teaching them ganking, flaming & insulting.

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this e-mail was comparable to nothing.

Dunno how long you are here in this community but this wasn't the first E-Mail of such a kind.

@DH: Mostly heavy outnumbered fights, but in some situations also if a absolutly pro is ganking a totally newbie.
(30:1 stats etc.)

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You should rather stop worrying about ganking rather than stop ganking.

Big battles changes the amount of people consistently, and clans have as a goal to outnumber their enemies or be stronger than their enemies so gank = a clan goal in most cases. Why else would clans try to become big and have the strongest fighter? so they can win battles.

So when you say ganking = bad then you pretty much am saying that the goal of clans are bad. To optain superior strength to win battles.

And how many times have i been attacked by a noob, who ive then killed 30:1 like u said, and then people are like, let him go! Im not the one attacking him O.o.

Trying to stop ganking is so much more complicated than just saying that its not a problem, why is it a problem!? i love being ganked its good trainning.

All you should really say in the original post is, "hey guys, try and be nice <3"
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Ganking and (litte) flame is part of this game.....
Iam tired of hearing the same shit again and again from you bas. Every thread from you is about "rescue Fl", "dont gank noobs" or "dont flame.
Same shit different day its annoying.

You will not achieve anything with this threads except annoying some people Mr. Green

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Oh, and I am wrong that the HC community has some REAL bad attitudes for years? Those mails don't come from nothing....

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]Imperium[Bas hat folgendes geschrieben:
Oh, and I am wrong that the HC community has some REAL bad attitudes for years? Those mails don't come from nothing....



Those "mails" are from people who obviously lost their mind.
They don't represent the whole "community" here. Rolling Eyes They probably
don't even play Freelancer anymore. We are kinda helpless against mails like
this. What shall we do?
Everything was also part of the game in the past: lagging, ganking, flaming,
"dockkilling", you name it. You found and will find it in any community.
You wonder why there are almost no people on Berlin Server who are flaming? Because Berlin has no players.
More Players = more Flamers, gankers, bla bla bla. The people you are trying
to reach won't even read this topic.
"Another attempt? Nah ty, I don't waste my time reading. W8. The Status-Page tells me there's one AUW guy in front of Berlin, I'll attack him after I called backup. *activates ICQ*"
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Indeed the word ganking, came from fighing a player out number.

What happymeal said is correct you will see it more in recent clans that came to server, i dont want to point fingers, but i know of a clan that has good numbers and cant seam to have fair fights against an enemy. ex. Cambridge i was passing by and a fighter was fighting a clan of 5 vz 1 , whats that can you at least be 1vs 2. thats in house systems.

Even if you tell them , don't reload during fights, don't crash against the planet, don't fight him outnumbered, they answer you why "we are a pirate clan".

So no result there...

For the omicrons you know you will always have outnumber fights thats how it is in the omicrons if you dont like to be ganked then just leave the system of log off change to another ship. Why flame? why insult ? that wont kill the enemy. So the only thing here is up to the clan leaders to set there rules with each clan. If they say its ok to gank then you wont change anything. If they agree and start punishing there clan mates then you know they will quit and make there own clan. This will be up to each fighter, and if it has not work in the past then it will never be fix.

What menace said is so true, this is a little flame compared to many other server of this kind of game. For fist person shooter there is no time to flame you kill them or you die.
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Same idea as yours ... and he didn't achieve something either .. maybe because he kinda was a flamer too and no one took him seriously.

@ Jopn.
I know that you are probably reffering to my clan , [Nuclear].

< [Nuclear]Duran / Ibague / Giron.

Well I don't want to be rude but some players ask to be ganked.Each time we leave someone 1 v 1 they , the lone guy starts shooting the rest , which are away from combat.So we can't be speaking about gank then.

And unless admins pick up some extrem rules and start banning even for the slightest insult , we'll still have flamers here , that's the way it is.
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It wasn't my intention to claim that every player or the majority of the people of this server wrote those kind of mails to admins - But there might be certain events that created that "mind-insane" people, and no, it isn't only about the player numbers. Such events even happened back when HC had a player limit of 80 players, and even before. And those things doesn't happen at larger gaming communities either. (Not only FL related)
Something goes wrong here...and that not less.
Flaming, ganking, dockkilling - It is not only about the time, but also about the people - There are/were some servers where it was natural to kill and teach those guys till they accepted how to play fair - Such things doesn't happen here.
I just remember about some guys (I don't want to name them here, many of you know them nevertheless) who ganked me and my clanmate with 2 battleships + some repairships (~5-7) - You think that such kind of behaviour should continue? I hope not. (This is just one example of many)

Although, it is true that FL (IN GENERAL, not related to HC) has just "a few" flamers comperating to other MMORPGs, but I am sure it is because of it is quite focussed at PvP - But here at HC server many flames are more personal - You don't flame or insult just because you got killed, but also because it was THIS ONE SPECIFIC GUY !!
It is about the personal matter.

€:
It is like me and Rhodan said some time ago, if HC goes down it'll be cause of internal/structural problems - And we might have such a problem atm.
See the bann thread, the critical problem; Kirki left, and atm Nosferatu is more or the less the only active admin? Ofc you can't force admins (and I dont want to) to be more active, but this might be one problem resulted from the chain of events. Kirki has gone, and now the general admin activity is quite low.

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Problem is that ... it's different from the MMORPG

There the communities are huge so people rarely get to know each other.
Here ... well you can't call a community of ~ 200 people big , so in time we get to know each other , and we know exactly how to insult the others so it hurts ( general speaking )

Open your eyes people , this server is dying , slowly but dying.
2 years ago the server was full during the evenings , sometimes you had to wait 10 minutes so you can connect.
Now it slowly gets from 128 to 90 , and thrust me , it ain't gonna go up from here.

People tried trough time to make the others change , none of them gave a shit that they're hurting the others , they're hurting the game.

Yea know what ? Want to act like though guys ? Fine do so , but in max 2 years don't wonder why you'll be shooting only npcs.

I don't want to be drastic , but if this community keeps going at this space , in this direction in about 3 years you'll be forced to hold a 'last meeting'.

Open your eyes!You're not a fucking cowboy , you're not proving anything by insulting and ganking others , you are playing a GAME.Do you know what a GAME is?
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Tell me , and be honest , how many of you are enjoying the game right now ?

How many of you are playing it just for fun ? And not achieving your goal of literally destroying your enemies , by ANY MEANS NECESSARY ?
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I love it : D

And if its dying its gonna take a long time xD raw server was active for 4 years with a maximum of top 30 players on at the same time each day.
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well for a nice and fast solution:

Remove the chat in game, we all use xfire ,icq, and msn. Or remove only the system chat, and let the group chat on, and persona chat, that way you can ignore specific people and not have to read what they say. As i did for some reason i don't know how but i have Fti clan ignore, i cant read what they say ^^ .
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Texas hat folgendes geschrieben:

Remove the chat in game


U gotta be kidding.

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thx now I understand what you mean with ganking

and yes! thats a part of a game...as menace said: isnt this a target of a clan? Why you play in a clan then? ^^

I dont like fights like more then 1 vs 3...but i think its depending on the fighters...as long the lonely one always gett a kill in 1-2 rounds...its not ganking...because he still can have fun...
But i HATE 1 vs 6,7 ann more...this has nothing to do with to win a battle as a clan...because most times you need less then all 6 or 7 fighters around there for one person...

I always have this questions in my head:

1. Did he do the same?
2. If I would be in his position, would I still have fun? (And I have fun as long I can kill at least 1 in 1-4 rounds when I am outnumbered)
3. Did he provoke this situation by beeing rude, insulting or shooting even I said afk?

Maybe a lot of player now udnerstand why I shot people outnumbered or not and against whom I fight in which way...
I always say: Who shows respect and honor in fights to me (no flaming, craying, afk-kills...etc), I will show respect them.
But there will always be some missunderstandings in clans, because some clanplayer might flame...so in my head it says: the clan flames...

anyway: why crying about ganking? If I dont have fun...this might be ganking then (if you want to call this) I just log off and have RL! I do what I do when I have fun
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FalCoN[SVK] hat folgendes geschrieben:
Texas hat folgendes geschrieben:

Remove the chat in game


U gotta be kidding.


i hope so.. those ideas of some guys here get crazier every week Oo

Marshall D. Teach hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ganking and (litte) flame is part of this game.....
Iam tired of hearing the same shit again and again from you bas. Every thread from you is about "rescue Fl", "dont gank noobs" or "dont flame.
Same shit different day its annoying.

You will not achieve anything with this threads except annoying some people Mr. Green


Same thought as i saw that Bas posted a topic.. doesnt have to read the topic to know, that he.. as a non HHC player.. as he wants us to believe.. knows how to rescue us all from our bad manners.. he doesnt play here anymore and he only reads what crap is written in forum.. and from this crap he builds his opinion about HHC.. the only thing that you learn about Bas crap is..

read less forum...
play more ingame...
Bas.. get a new hobby instead of posting such stupid things.. you are doing the same worse as those stupid bastards you are revering too.



As i heard many times before from hhc veterans.. 1vs3 was normal for years..
I personally can aprove that i know and experienced it since about 2 years.. (when i started)

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I was certainly kidding. why in the world do you think programmers put the chat in the game, so people can flame at each other and make the wars better....

I have fought almost every clan that is not a anti pirate out number, sometime i do like to fight them and some others i don't so i just log off. Thats the point of the game show who has the power, if you don't like that then just be like my gf. ask for pvp be a freelancer and use your credits to spam cannonballs and sunslayers ^^ (she uses my credits -.-) lol
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@Ganking: You should consider if winning in a game is more important than having fun.
And for sure (nearly) nobody will have this fun if he is ganked 5 vs 1 etc.

Zitat:
Same thought as i saw that Bas posted a topic.. doesnt have to read the topic to know, that he.. as a non HHC player.. as he wants us to believe.. knows how to rescue us all from our bad manners.. he doesnt play here anymore and he only reads what crap is written in forum.. and from this crap he builds his opinion about HHC.. the only thing that you learn about Bas crap is..

1. I also have other sources about what happening ingame
2. Why shouldn't I care about this community? I was part from it and I am still by reading this forum, though, mainly to help ppl out and get information about FL related things (since unfortunally HC board became such a ressource)
Zitat:

Bas.. get a new hobby instead of posting such stupid things.. you are doing the same worse as those stupid bastards you are revering too.

Mister, there is a *lil difference* between writing something that might be annoying for you or to destroy the fun for other players ingame because you want to.

Zitat:

As i heard many times before from hhc veterans.. 1vs3 was normal for years..
I personally can aprove that i know and experienced it since about 2 years.. (when i started)

So what? Even some years ago there happened serious things including such nice mails to HC admins.

But ok...if you want so...then my prophecy will come true one day...HC might get closed to internal community problems (Can you tell me that the situation got better referring from the last year(s)? I don't guess so)

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Und wos mir gerade einfällt, wie sprach doch gleich THELancer? (<- Was ich im Prinzip aber schon vorher wusste)
Hier auf dem Server könnte man bei den Dingen, die ablaufen/abgelaufen sind, zum Einen schon eine Menge Anzeigen erstatten als auch locker den Server schließen lassen - Ganz so perfekt scheint es hier dann ja doch nicht zu laufen, nicht wahr?
(Und er als Jura-Student muss es ja wohl wissen)

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Nice Marshall , you want to fight flame with flame.

Give the man a break , at least he cares about this game not like 40% of you who think this thread is funny
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Verfasst am: 08.07.09 12:19
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Dragonheart
Captain


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Playtime: 244h
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Verfasst am: 08.07.09 12:25
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just close topic in time...I see where the thread is running to...-.-
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Menace
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Verfasst am: 08.07.09 14:27
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You think closing is the solution to everything dont u dragonheart! DONT U!
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