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Beitrag Titel: Ways to Spot a Modder
Verfasst am: 17.04.09 04:22
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k34uKSLpAE

What are you watching?

These are two short slowed down clips. The first is against Komar's [317th]HellBull character.. the second against ANC-Colonial-116.

What to take note of:

- Although these was alot of shot fired all around in group fights the kill shots were made by the pilots I am targeting and that are targeting me.. just look at the fuzzy death messages. Also, that Hellbull was the ONLY hullbull in the fight. The first one is by gun - second is by some phantom wasp that doesnt exsist.

What you should REALLY take note of:

1) Its all about the angles here ppl, the first time I am completely 180 UNDERNEATH his ship yet he makes the killing shots.. not only that, Komar's ship is facing forward... he's making full angle shots and his ship isnt looking anywhere near me. Try it out in game, try it holding reverse.. try it not touching anything.. the bottom line is when you move your mouse all the way to one side of the screen your ship WILL turn in that dirrection. This is also seen in the second clip except I am 180 degrees above 116's ship.

This can be caused by Fisheye, because the ship is not as responsive and you can quickly swing your mouse to shoot at angles not reachable by normal players. This could be also caused by Speedgear.. with a slowing down of the game the mouse can be moved to random parts of the screen and then moved back around without and change in ship possition although shots are landed.

Oh and pause the video at random times, the "kill" shots" dont actually exsist.. at all. at the time anywhere close to when I die there are no shots landed on my ship soooo yeah.

What have we learned?

- Angle shots are a key part to the game (watch Menace's video), Angle shots with no ship movement do not exsist and are a product of modified gameplay)
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http://www.xfire.com/video/a5777/

and a control group of what I mean about ship movement + mouse movement and what it should look like with ship turning toward enemy.

Now at the end I show the 1 and ONLY vanilla way it is possible to hit those angles. It involved use of free flight, turned on and off by space bar or by holding left mouse down.

IF(!) this is how you are flying the secret is now out and you can come clean and I can actually applaud you for learning to fighting by toggling back and forth effectively... I also ask you fraps / xvid to prove that this is the way you got your "uber" aim . it would also explain the crappy turning due to the time it takes to untoggle and make a turn.
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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 08:38
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Last part does not explain no-hit kills he's making, even if its true and he's using this crap.

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there are two explanations for the huge kills from 3/4 hull or 1/2 hull.

When ppl land shots its actually a lot less damage than you think. Even ppl shooting all weps same time rarely hits all the weapons on ship. With the freeflight if they are actually hitting mass ammounts of weapons .. a few seconds and you;d see damage done that hasnt been seen before in FL.

The other two possibilities are MUCH more likely.. 1, the fisheye alllows the above to happen much more frequently cause oviously aim improves 10 fold.

Second reason could be Speedgear slowing down the persons game, so they see themselves landing a wholeeee lot of shots and then when the server speeds it up to normal and processes the packets they all get transfered to the persons ship at once causing huge deaths from even full hull.
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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 10:33
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stop crying like a kid
your story is old as freelancer
and Im not saying this to defend Komar because he is in WA I try to be neutral when reading posts. I was killed many times from imposible positions too.
So cheating exist, who cheat I dont care, you just have 2 options: play or not to play.
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Well, sometimes I have also some freaky kills at the edge of my screen. Namely when there is still the crosshair to see and I aim it so the shots go in a much "crazier" angle to the edge as when there's no crosshair I aim to.
But what you've shown there, Torment, is obviously not normal and I watched few kills more by some [317th]. Especially kills from Ko[M]aR were often very ... strange. 2/3rd of hull with one shot, without any missiles and other opponents hit me and similar things.

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Hey, when u ask here ingame some people, they all tell you that they mean the half of server is using this fisheye or a "abnormal" camera position. Is it maybe possible to connect the fisheye/camera changes into the FLCD? So we wouldnt have any problem with that.
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Don't worry cheaters will eventually win ( killing the game )

I personally won't log on anywhere soon and I also in the past weeks when I used to play that old players on HC are doing the same.

They don't realize it but soon , they are going to be the only ones playing the game , competing with each other to see who has the better cheats or having war against NPCs.

Have fun Rolling Eyes
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Anshar hat folgendes geschrieben:
Don't worry cheaters will eventually win ( killing the game )

I personally won't log on anywhere soon and I also in the past weeks when I used to play that old players on HC are doing the same.

They don't realize it but soon , they are going to be the only ones playing the game , competing with each other to see who has the better cheats or having war against NPCs.

Have fun Rolling Eyes

Yeah, I dont have fun in playing on this server anymore. Only Cheaters and Bugusers Rolling Eyes.
Maybe a few have seen that I didnt play so much FL in the last time.
Rapplez is much more fun. Why? Because there are no cheaters and there is less flame than here. Cya

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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 12:25
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Wodka was talking about some kind o' lag last time.
In the second clip I can clearly see 116 shooting a Wasp! (O.K, it was after your death, but it would explain your "phantom wasp death". It was caused by lag.)
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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 13:21
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Flame, do you see there any fishe eye??
I made this screen few seconds after your crap...

Intersting how much u know about speed gear lol

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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 14:01
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Thats the first screenshot of you I saw. I don't count the one you've sent to me after you reconnected ...

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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 14:15
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lol

all screens i have sent to you were made immediately or after undock..so dont cry

At least my anomalies arent dynamic as yours Rhino, you know very well
that i cant record you, but remember that 317 has shared smurf ID's
so be careful who do you shoot, because u never know who control that
smurf. Husar can record during fight ^^

If you all have doubts about me using fish eye plz immediately tell me in
game to make screen as proof, i will post it wherever u want.
Simply i dont use it because my aming can be disrupted after flcd update.

You should notice that all american players jump like + freaky server lags
so dont cry about weird things cuz u are kinda source of that.

Im leaving this forum till HC mod update

HOWGH!

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It was not more than one screenshot you've ever sent to me. And the only screenshot you had sent was after "Departing player: Ko[M]aR" and then a minute later "New Player: Ko[M]aR" ... ye, then after your undock. Rolling Eyes

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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 14:30
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well Rhino there is no reason to make screens after reconnect, so i didnt make any. All screens which i sent to you were proof of no fish eyeing by me without reconnecting.

Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:

Im leaving this forum till HC mod update
HOWGH!


im sick of that crap on forum
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And what about your cool movie you promised, Komar?

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when i upgrade my PC than you will have your movie without any changes.

If you wish i can sent you on PM movie sample in crappy resolution + file
responsible for changed effect which i use in mass fights. Than u can judge
if its worth a ban.

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Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
you know very well
that i cant record you

There's the reason ... Mr. Green

btw: Komar, did you watch Torment's video? He has also just a bit more than 20 fps while recording ... Wink

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Eveyone knows komar cheats so there isnt much point in keep going on about it, because the admins seem reluctant to do anything, apparently no proof.
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You're wrong, Pitch.

The accusations are recorded, videos to proof given.
Maybe you can add some movies of your own and your clan members additionally.

The more material we have to check, the better.
So be a movie star and participate in this fact finding process.

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don't flame, don't insult others!

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only way to stop this is to make this mod to a obligationMod vor all servers like Void and discovery do that for a long time .

ok the adminteam dont want to do this all the years but this reason gives fair players more rest to play with more tendency for a better serverlive here
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I urge everyone do do their homework. I did mine.

Komar - Speedgear is turned on and off by a HOTKEY. A screen shot is your "clevel" way of trying to clear your name when in actual fact it more proves your guilt
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We as the pubic can stop this, everyone get your video recording programs out .... Personally im quite good at spotting normal vs not normal so feel free to post your videos of unusual modder activity OR as not to spam the boards you can send it to me (I will be neutral and bias towards all sides of the conflict) and can help to explain things you see.

As you can see in my first post I advokate for a modded and unmodded reason behind the sudden mass change in flight style in this server.. sadly the odds are not looking good that this issue is legitamate.
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Oh and Komar, In regards to your screen shot I never said EVERYONE in New Berlin that day was modding, your screen doesnt let us know which pilot you were... if you wern't 116 than it also proves nothing except for that fight you had it turned off.
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Verfasst am: 17.04.09 17:09
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So u admit that you use speed gear??? Nice

He has no interest in prooving you that he doesnt cheat, admins have
seen his movie when he fight with fraps ON, so if he isnt banned now
than it looks like everything was fine.

This is Komars screen because only he from our group uses 800x600
resolution, Crashbx and me play with high details, so it couldnt be anyone
else than Komar.

Anyway i will post you someting more soon

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"Speed Gear is easy-to-use, you can press an easily accessible hotkey to speed up game, slow down game or adjust game to the speed you feel most comfortable with. Speed Gear will give you brand new experience while playing games. For example; with this program you can slow down the action games so that you can see the bullet's flight line and avoid it easily."

Thats a quote from the Publishers description - This topic isnt highlighting my credibility Husar, Id lke to see the movie Komar sent to admins...let me guess, it doesnt show anything?
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Your graphics are to low, and you cant see the wasp but its there, and in the first kill someone else did the shoot, in massive fights you cant relay tell, In New Berlin everyone lags, the Npc make wasp shots as well. Put you graphics to high so you can see better, with the settings to low you dont always see the missiles or wasp.

@ The comment that all Americans lag, That is not true i have had very nice fights with many players in different systems and never lag, and even they lag and not me.


@ All videos i have seen have poor Fraps 30 - 20, That is not a way to proof someone cheats, upload a higher quality 100 Fraps there you can see, and like in every game ping, and high end video cards are always an advantage.

No matter if they cheat or not, fight them and enjoy the game, if not log off.

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I'm going to be continuously recording fights to show that instances such as these are far to common and consistant to be contributed to lag or any other possible anomalies that occur within group fights. I will turn my graphics up if necessary.

As my collection grows so does the evidence agaisnt these pilots. The more various users I catch on video the easier it is to show dirrect similarities in their fighting style due to these modifications.

As I said, I encourage everyone to take up arms against this abomination to FL in the form of fraps recording.
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