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Beitrag Titel: HC-Clan-Council
Verfasst am: 06.11.08 21:34
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[Mephisto] hat folgendes geschrieben:
Hey guys,

after a short very nice period of time on HC I want to present the idea of founding a

HC-Council of the Sirius Republic
Why ? What is it for ?

The inhabitants of Sirius grouped in different organizations (called: Clans). Between the different groups are not rarely some arguments but same people are also able to create something unique (for example big events).
The thing I want to tell now is to create a platform for leaders to meet once a month in TeamSpeak² for talking about problems and ideas to solve them.

I thought of a meeting of clan-leaders from all clans with reputation (the reason should be clear ...).
Of course it's also possible for co-leaders or diplomats to represent their clans instead of the leader because not everyone can be everytime there.

Some advices or new ideas? Please post it!

What do you think?
PS: I also hope here in the English-forum for a spam- and flame-free topic!


The following clans/leaders already agreed to be represent themselves in this council:


The order is just lucky chance of those who said eary "yes" - doesn't mean anything.

Representative Clanless (!) - still searching ...
HHCKK - will come ( Guess who - Rhodan )
IMPERIUM - will come ( Admiral Thrawn )
NEXUS - will come ( PilleZ or GFighter ? )
WILD DRAGONS - will come ( Percy1979 )
uSF - will come( Don Paine ) & gratz for the 5th birthday!
O.I.A - will come ( Cr@nkz )
The~Pirates - will come ( The~Evil )
WOLFS - will come - or not? Decision drew back ( Bierwolf )
HA - will come, too ( ? )
STE - will come ( Corleone )
Der-Orden - will come ( Sev or Seugi )
DOS - will come ( M3tall )
-=TD=- will come ( Leraia )
OEG - ?
F-Ti - ?
FoF - ?
AuW - ?
SLF - ?
WP - ?
IMMORTAL - ?
Rheinwehr - ?
[Vendetta] - ?
Western Alliance - ?

When this/those clan/s got reputation :

F2G - will come ( leader didn't say "yes" but he will do Laughing )


Some advices:
The topic is from "Hamburg City Server" - http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/topic,16930_Rat_der_Weisen.html
The topic is completely held in German so [Mephisto] asked me to translate it into English.

This is the possibility for all clans to solve problems of the community but not to take care for admins-work or something like that.

Here are also clans in which are mainly English-speaking players, like Western Alliance or [OEG] and they should also get the chance to be represented here in this council.

In the German Topic is also discussed who the player/s will be for the clanless representative/s.
There is also a poll-tread - http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/topic,16954__quot_HC_Council_quot_Clanlosen_Vertreter.html
There you can poll if you want
-1.) one clanless representative for all other freelancers
-2.) two clanless representatives for all other freelancers but from different sites (one pirate/terror and one anti/trader)
-3.) a new idea for solving that (and post it then into the topic)

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-2.) two clanless representatives for all other freelancers but from different sites (one pirate/terror and one anti/trader)


1. One person cannot speak for all, doesn't matter the Class. There are more Freelancers than Clan Members.

2. I believe when the Council is installed, we be more busy with the Council himself than actually playing the Game.

3. There is a 70 % chance that the Council cannot reach agreements on decisions, as cause many Clans don't like each other.

Come with stong suggestions to put away my arguments, than maybe I wil agree. And don't tell me, the ones who think I am irritating, I talk shit!

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1. You´re right , but one person can block "bad decisions" for the "Freelancers"

2. 1 Meeting once a Month ( 2-3 Hours ) . Is it too much ?

3. But there is a 30% Chance to make things better . 30% Revenue is very good in the world of economy .

Sry for my bad english , I´m still learning .

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Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:

1. One person cannot speak for all, doesn't matter the Class. There are more Freelancers than Clan Members.


That is right, BUT the represantative does not have to SPEAK for them in diplomatic sense. He is just to "veto" things in the council, which would be bad for the Freelancers, like Depots only on Clanbases.


Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
2. I believe when the Council is installed, we be more busy with the Council himself than actually playing the Game.


Then let it be so, nobody has to take place in the council, if you find, you need to much time for it, just leave it. But actually, I dont believe it willbe like that, I actually hope it will be a great council (including a lot of fun)^^

Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
3. There is a 70 % chance that the Council cannot reach agreements on decisions, as cause many Clans don't like each other.


I dont think so. I think because of the non-RPG-sense of the council, there wont be any dissent because of RPG-fights.

Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:

Come with stong suggestions to put away my arguments, than maybe I wil agree.


I did! Wink So, agree!
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But isn't it better to have many Federations of Clans:

Example: Three Clans, Pirates most, are allied, and form a Federation on there own and compete to other formed Federations.

The way you tell, Council = Federation, It's veto, not representative of everyone.

I do remember we had a Federation clan in the past, which had the same goal, just as what you propose, but than larger scale. Where's the Federation Clan these days? If it didn't succeed in small scale, what good is it for a big scale.

From the Past: During the big Invasion of FT-I in Alpha, there was a big meeting in NY with Pepi Utzi as the Chairman and many of his allies. Instead of making the world a better place, many people were banned and have faded away. Clans lost many of there members and struggled to survive.

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könnte das mal einer übersetzen?mein english is under all pig

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Zitat:
I want to tell now is to create a platform for leaders to meet once a month in TeamSpeak² for talking about problems and ideas to solve them.


If its main idea of this council than its not necessary, u got "Suggestions &
Clanbases" Forum where admins can respond if thats idea is possible to be made
or not, if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?

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Zitat:
I want to tell now is to create a platform for leaders to meet once a month in TeamSpeak² for talking about problems and ideas to solve them.


If its main idea of this council than its not necessary, u got "Suggestions &
Clanbases" Forum where admins can respond if thats idea is possible to be made
or not, if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Thank you ^^

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Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Your're wrong. ^^

HC-Online-RPG, this forum is "read only" and was closed because of to much flame an similiar things.
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Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Your're wrong. ^^

HC-Online-RPG, this forum is "read only" and was closed because of to much flame an similiar things.


And much flaming the Council awaits Laughing

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Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Your're wrong. ^^

HC-Online-RPG, this forum is "read only" and was closed because of to much flame an similiar things.


And much flaming the Council awaits Laughing


I think no
The council is not a ally or something like this, it´s a meeting of Clans to talk abourt the feature. Maybe its possible to talk about global Base-attack times for ALL Clans. Or to organize Events without distruption of enemies.

Its a great chance for the HHC!
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Syd hat folgendes geschrieben:
Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Your're wrong. ^^

HC-Online-RPG, this forum is "read only" and was closed because of to much flame an similiar things.


And much flaming the Council awaits Laughing


I think no
The council is not a ally or something like this, it´s a meeting of Clans to talk abourt the feature. Maybe its possible to talk about global Base-attack times for ALL Clans. Or to organize Events without distruption of enemies.

Its a great chance for the HHC!


We all have the same dream and we all want to see it work, I truly do, but can't see a way Wink

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Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
Syd hat folgendes geschrieben:
Chrono hat folgendes geschrieben:
Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?


Your're wrong. ^^

HC-Online-RPG, this forum is "read only" and was closed because of to much flame an similiar things.


And much flaming the Council awaits Laughing


I think no
The council is not a ally or something like this, it´s a meeting of Clans to talk abourt the feature. Maybe its possible to talk about global Base-attack times for ALL Clans. Or to organize Events without distruption of enemies.

Its a great chance for the HHC!


We all have the same dream and we all want to see it work, I truly do, but can't see a way Wink


cool quote tree^^

In diplomacy between hostile clans always will be flame, what i see is that
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@ Kirki: maybe its time to open RPG/Diplomacy forum and put there moderator who will remove posts with to much flame Razz

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Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:

@ Kirki: maybe its time to open RPG/Diplomacy forum and put there moderator who will remove posts with to much flame Razz


Forget it. Wink

If you're really interested in rpg, you can use this forum: http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/forum,49.html
But this stuff is not subject of this thread, so we should turn back to topic.
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i think flame is real hope for this server Razz

back to topic: There is TS server afaik free to use for HC players, so u can
enter and talk when u want, so what is reason to make this "council" ?

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Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:

@ Kirki: maybe its time to open RPG/Diplomacy forum and put there moderator who will remove posts with to much flame Razz


Forget it. Wink

If you're really interested in rpg, you can use this forum: http://www.freelancerserver.de/v2/forum,49.html
But this stuff is not subject of this thread, so we should turn back to topic.


Amen Rolling Eyes

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Zitat:
I want to tell now is to create a platform for leaders to meet once a month in TeamSpeak² for talking about problems and ideas to solve them.


If its main idea of this council than its not necessary, u got "Suggestions &
Clanbases" Forum where admins can respond if thats idea is possible to be made
or not, if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?

I guess it's not for doing diplomacy or even make suggestions for new mod-related features or something like that.
It's for solving problems like flame or lameing. How can we - together - fight against kinds of "social" problems in the HC-Community.
Maybe even a discussion about noob-protection. How will the community change itself to a better way? How can we get rid of all this flame? How can we fight against lameing?

Such questions would be discussed for inventing our community.
That's the way I understood this topic. Wink

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Rhino hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
Zitat:
I want to tell now is to create a platform for leaders to meet once a month in TeamSpeak² for talking about problems and ideas to solve them.


If its main idea of this council than its not necessary, u got "Suggestions &
Clanbases" Forum where admins can respond if thats idea is possible to be made
or not, if u want decide about global clans Diplomacy there is
HC-Online-RPG - RPG, Diplomacy, Clan News forum...


correct me if im wrong...?

I guess it's not for doing diplomacy or even make suggestions for new mod-related features or something like that.
It's for solving problems like flame or lameing. How can we - together - fight against kinds of "social" problems in the HC-Community.
Maybe even a discussion about noob-protection. How will the community change itself to a better way? How can we get rid of all this flame? How can we fight against lameing?

Such questions would be discussed for inventing our community.
That's the way I understood this topic. Wink


example some clan will say clan A was flaming clan B, clan A will say you provoked me and u were flaming also, so there we got flame in voice as others said and i say if ppl who cant stop flame, you can use /ignore function and problem is solved and we wont have to spend hours of talking who flamed: silence to flame is best cure or simply dont bother about it, if you flame back or even discuss who started its like putting oil on fire but if you cant help yourself you can also use /mute syschat on or simply ignore so called flamers.
About ideas and suggestions i rather use forum....

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is a nice idea
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cashbox. chono.. kumar.. youu youst dont get it. ^^ /haha

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I dont get it either, I want to kill my enemies not talk to them

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Same here i dont need to communicate with my enemys in no way than with guns xD.
I would point out this forum is key to communication between clans, you can either contact leaders on private or make topic for discussion for ideas and suggestions.

I would understand forming big council between same type rpg type clans, where they would discuss about problems in sirius, but anything thats not directly affecting gameplay can be discussed on forum, where all can say there opinion.
Or open special forum where only High members of clan got access and talk in the name of their clan, for rest would be read only. Cause myself and i believe also some rest of ppl simply wont have time to attend TS meeting for 3 hours even if its once a month. And what ever u say in TS can be quickly taken as something completly different as what u wanted to point out.

If you wanna get rid of flame and insults, start using RPG where all will have to take their role and play by it if you talk anything in game outside of rpg you damage gameplay of others, but until we will have clans who consider themself funclan and can do what they wish without affecting other clans that are connected, there will be problems and flames cause nobody knows what is their place how they should behave.

and Sokar i recommend you get it how to write other names, unless u want i call you Krokar instead of Sokar

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He don't get it Rolling Eyes

There will be NO RPG !!!
There will be no Political discussions like "Who owns Gamma" or somethin like that.

But nobody will force you to join us.
But then don't cry when we will make some decisions without your vote
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So this is a must or my opinion wont count ? lol dont bullshit, so u want to transfer all decissions that will affect gameplay on TS if i wont able to participate who gives a **** ? rest wont have chance to tell their opinion on forum cause they are not in council ?

Nobody in this council is mature enough to make final decission only admins can make final decission and they will decide based on public opinion not what some wisemans said, this sounds like parlament. Ppl will suffer cause of some people in council decission. Dont bring politics here if its not rpg politics.
I advice you than start doing referendum also...

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There is no influence to "gameplay", just to the general behavior of some flaming, laming or spamming players. There are problems in community.
The council wants to solve these problems!

This council isn't here for kinda admin-decisions or politics. It will just say how the clanmembers should behave in community and nothing else. No RPG-based politics, just things for community!

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