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Beitrag Titel: war statistics
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Hi

I made some war statistics from battles mostly in gamma.
I am sorry i couldn't put more clans inside for comparison(for example STE,SLF,WOLFS - Will do that next time,) but than would look really crowded, so i putted only clans who actively fight against us in gamma.

This statistics are efficiency war ratio = clan war points/number of chars.



This is done with charts and u need to update xml, if somebody have good experience with php they could help me program it and make it update automatically.

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Januar 2008:
TCEagles 66 chars : 47402 points (ratio: 47402 / 66 = 718.212)
OEG 173 chars: : 26232 points (ratio: 26232 / 173 = 151.630)
OIA 216 chars : 190393 points (ratio: 190393 / 216 = 881.449)
uSF 269 chars : 193715 points (ratio: 193715 / 269 = 720.130)

Februar 2008:

TCEagles 77 chars : 63089 points (ratio: 63089 / 77 = 819.337)
OEG 178 chars: : 29323 points (ratio: 29323 / 178 = 164.735)
OIA 229 chars : 205882 points (ratio: 205882 / 229 = 899.048)
uSF 359 chars : 300652 points (ratio: 300652 / 359 = 837.470)
F-Ti 415 Chars : 77921 points (ratio: 77921 / 415 = 187.761)
Imperium 115 Chars : 41721 points (ratio: 41721 / 115 = 362.791)
Der-Orden 112 Chars : 11154 points (ratio: 11154 / 112 = 99.58)

Thats how i imagine war ratio =)

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1. Why you move your base then ? ^^

2. The RPG and Propaganda Forum is closed ^^ .

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1. What does this have to do with moving base ?

2. Who said its propaganda, its functionality about war statistics and comparison

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Nope, it isn't. Because: look at F-TI for example ... we have 415 Chars and only 80k War-stats = ~192/char ... that say really really nothing about the fight-skill or something ... becaus i - for example - have ~70-80 Chars, most of them used very few if i need a char in california f.e. ... 40-50 of this 415 chars are trader, repair-ships, mission-ships o.t.e.
Most of this chars are not even "ranked" ... so Warstats/Chars is low because of many chars with few kills and not because of bad stats ...
So this stats say nothing, -> your Rate/char-ratio is high, because you are to lazy to create many Chars Razz

i mean ... if i make 5000 kills while 50 hours fighting with 10 different chars in Gamma, Theta, Alpha, California, Hamburg, Honshu, New Tokio ... and you make 5000 kills while 50 hours fighting with 1 Char in Gamma ... why are my stats 500 and yours 5000? I made same number of kills in same time... but only in different war-regions ...

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We have transports(repair ships, mission ships, trading ships) also, we have chars around sirius also, add your best chars.

We have numerous ids and on each id 5 chars, for example myself i have 2 IDS and on each id 5 chars thats 10 chars, and i putted allmost all in clan manager list, many of my members have more than 10 chars on different ids and they putted some of their best also but those not needed they didnt connect or they did we have no limitations, if we would disconnect some of chars our ratio could go even higher cause most of chars connected to clanmanager are not rated either, but we have very high ratio with chars we fight daily in war with. Nobody is forcing you connect all chars in clan maanger cause its not really only way to give char clan tag(it only affects that user see other clan reps)

raknaroek hat folgendes geschrieben:

-> your Rate/char-ratio is high, because you are to lazy to create many Chars Razz

i mean ... if i make 5000 kills while 50 hours fighting with 10 different chars in Gamma, Theta, Alpha, California, Hamburg, Honshu, New Tokio ... and you make 5000 kills while 50 hours fighting with 1 Char in Gamma ... why are my stats 500 and yours 5000? I made same number of kills in same time... but only in different war-regions ...


yours 50 hours fighting with 10 different chars is called in our service day of rest or laziness. Our ratio is high cause we are more efficient per char connected than your clan and we dont make new chars all the time but use it.

If you go for example clan A with 10 people have all 10 chars connected and get war rating 10000 = ratio = 1000
And you take a clan B with 100 chars connected and got 20000 points = ratio = 200
Which clan is more efficient ?
I think clan A but if clan B would connect best of best and use their chars to clan manager not just to get extra war point but also to get decent ratio than they could be better or even worse.

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Nice , but you cant force other clans when or what chars they connect to their clan , so the warstats are pretty pointless .
You can read whatever you want out of it , but it doesnt represent real points , ratios if not all clans striktly monitor whos in their clanlist .
You already explained how to manipulate it , only connect your best fighters so your stats get high ^^ .

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Btw. OEG didn´t bind their Battleship with their Clan, it got about
50.000 Warpoints

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They should add it ;D And i am not forcing nobody to use it i just use this myself and asked somebody who is good with php to help me 2 update automaticly.
This is just concept that numbers of chars are not really for adding points to war ratings but can also affect war ratio, and outnumbered and small group of ppl is not necessary overruned just because enemy's have higher pilot numbers. This ratio is just efficiency of clan progress.

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[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:
If you go for example clan A with 10 people have all 10 chars connected and get war rating 10000 = ratio = 1000
And you take a clan B with 100 chars connected and got 20000 points = ratio = 200
Which clan is more efficient ?


Clan B, because they
1. don't wasting activity-points by flying without connected chars.
2. use the possibility to create many chars to build a char for every possible fighting-zone

And ... the Warrating shows, how good or assidouos a Clan is, either the number of Chars do.
We have killed more people than you or died less, whatever ... we also have createt more than 4 times mor chars than you ... where is the sense, if you don't connect your chars ? Shows that, how "good" your Clan is? Or is that just another faked statistik then? I would call it like that.



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I think clan A but if clan B would connect best of best and use their chars to clan manager not just to get extra war point but also to get decent ratio than they could be better or even worse.

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I suggest TCE to reduce their number of transport and repair ships to one per type to gain an advantage in calculating the war statistics average ratio.
Maybe remove all except the best char from clan binding for an even more efficient calculation of your TCE war ratio.

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Its free will if you wanna connect all or just 1, nobody is forcing you connect or not, you can also connect your chars which is w8ing @ every jump hole for a transport if u think thats cool, but nobody is forcing you, thats how we see it like it or not you can call it fake or not, but its the thing that make us strong and proud Very Happy
Nobody is forcing u to watch our ratio stats, if you dont care about it you dont need to watch it
I can create 50 chars also and connect all in clan manager but i have no wish to do that ;D because thats easy and i like it hard =)

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OEG, OIA, FTI --> TCE
Thats how i imagine war ratio. =)

In the end this war ratings is just a number, and it tells nothing. Like the old kill-death rankings, where noobbashers with 300-1000 kills ruled the top.

We can add our bs with 50k points, my gamma-char with 17k. We can add many and delete many chars (big number of pilots in that list are lost in space.. like half of them or more.. and many active are not in that list).
But.. We proved everything that we wanted in our long history here and on the other servers. With action, not with some abstract numbers in statistics.

So.. yes, OEG have low war rating. And yes, we don't care about this.
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If you wouldnt care u wouldnt reply and u can add any chars u want, it will give us new goal to achive =) we wont mind that. It would be very funny if i would caused massive cleaning of clan manager and @ same time you saying here how u dont care about it rofl Very Happy In every clan manager are chars who are not active @ all and i belive all could same in the end gained same result just different number ;D (higher)

Dont know excatly when kill rating started but you were all here much before us and we are allready catching you by war ratio.

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you need your chars in charmanager-> only a char, who has a 100% clan rep + connected in clan, gets activity points for the clan

e.g. HA, if they disconnect all trader for the war rangking, they have a activity problem, but a good war ranking ..


we have ~80char which probably never come back online


in my eyes it´s a bad idea


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[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:
If you wouldnt care u wouldnt reply and u can add any chars u want, it will give us new goal to achive =) we wont mind that.

Dont know excatly when kill rating started but you were all here much before us and we are allready catching you by war ratio.

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I think they are about 1 year old ?, first they was the Kill-Counter,
now we got the KillCounter and the Battleranking. I am a fan of
all kind of stats, even if they are useless. i already postet that i
like to see Kill/Death, Number of Kills, Clanmoney, finished Trademissions,etc etc. but woddi is busy with Mod i think. i hope
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HA are not war clan they are transport clan and occasionally they have to fight pirates to secure their goods lol =) And if u compare yourself with HA my bad, i cant help you rise your clan war ratio if you use mostly transports for repairing OIA base =)

I didnt know that clan manager is main for clan activity, interisting I though 100 hacked char is enough for clan activity, please confirm if i am wrong...

@ Coxsta i am fan of stats also its only way to see if clan is active And how active it is

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Coxsta hat folgendes geschrieben:
...
i hope we will have many more stats in the future

So do we!
Lets mention Trade-Mission-Counting Wink

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Ribald_Corello hat folgendes geschrieben:
Coxsta hat folgendes geschrieben:
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i hope we will have many more stats in the future

So do we!
Lets mention Trade-Mission-Counting Wink


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Maybe we could also have some statistics to show in which system which clan has what percentage and overall time coverage of operation.
This would spot a light on correctness of territory claims of clans. Rolling Eyes

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Not bad idea you could track clan movements also ...

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I think, these wrong stats are your way to show the server, that the TCEagles aren't dominated in Gamma by their hostile clans. Better: you want show that there is an advantage on the TCEagle side.
If you are posting such blurred statistics, a lot of people reading this are thinking you are a little bit despaired of your situation in Gamma. Otherwise you would'nt post these incomplete and incoherent statistics. Perhaps this is your own way to mask your defeat in Gamma.

Just some speculations and no provocation to start a flamewar . This Posting is representing my personal objective view on this topic. I don't want to discredit you or anybody of your clan, but the described interpretation of your statistics is possibly reflecting the public opinion about the TCEagles.


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Yes there is advantage on our side, you as hostile side think the war is over but for us its just a beginning. Many hostile clans tried to overrun us with numbers, you are not the first and you sure will not be the last, your weak point is you cant handle alone and you count on alliance and number of pilots and other clans help, but we are trained to count on ourself, this is what drive us whole this time.

1st rule in war: Dont underestimate your enemy.
2nd rule in war:Hope for the best but expect the worst.


And yes your post was totally provocation for starting flamewar, Cause this topic is nothing connected with flame but its just pure statistic idea ...

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War Rating is easy to manipulate -> result it didnt show anything -> it is uninteresting

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°°SwEePeR°° hat folgendes geschrieben:
War Rating is easy to manipulate


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