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Beitrag Titel: Banned for 'insult'?
Verfasst am: 07.12.07 11:35
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Ok I am tired of this. One 'dude' who is a very big 'anti-polish' was fighting ONLY me (later also other divi) and what was the reason? Because I am polish. So I once (never before and never again) called him '****' because I HATE people who think their nation is the best and other sux, no matter if this other is all other or only one. I have nothing against Germans, Russians or any other nationality and expect the same from other players. If they are racists then THEY should be banned instead of us, normal players whose only fault is nationality. It is not my fault that I am polish and I can't change it. Don't like it? Don't play this game or change the server or the best cut off your internet because other nationalities are everywhere. This is called globalisation and you cannot stop it. Because people like that wars happened, people who hate other nationalities. If you support this guy (don't even remember his nickname) then you can surely make a terrorist organization killing all other nationalities or just polish, anti polish organization, mass attacks, sounds nice isn't it?
About Poland, if you hate us so much, you probably hated Pope John Paul II, a pope, he was also polish.
This is racism, thing that I hate the MOST.
Now I request unban. Character name is '[Division.PL]-HellBull'. I was banned for the FIRST time and I suppose I deserve another chance, especially that ban was for something like that...

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LoLz they banned you cus you say once word called ****?Buhahahahahah man man shame on you all....well ban?It's not fair maybe only warning ok but ban Shocked Ok when some1 is insuling me in german and he say **** ******* **** so this is good?Cus is is from german?Or maybe this community don't like guys from PL(i know this) lolz think about this you antipl when i was in [PL] we had this same alwyas calling us polish lagers and others stuff soo where is the justice i say?Nowhere?
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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 12:09
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Zitat:

Ok I am tired of this. One 'dude' who is a very big 'anti-polish' was fighting ONLY me (later also other divi) and what was the reason? Because I am polish.


I know this "anti-polish" guy. He's a very nice guy and I call him a friend. You really think that he attacked you because you're polish ? I call this bullshit ! He called you a lagger an you called him n... Can you see the "little" difference between both words ?

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So I once (never before and never again) called him '****' because I HATE people who think their nation is the best and other sux, no matter if this other is all other or only one. I have nothing against Germans, Russians or any other nationality and expect the same from other players. If they are racists then THEY should be banned instead of us, normal players whose only fault is nationality. It is not my fault that I am polish and I can't change it. Don't like it?


You called him n.azi. Would you like it if somebody called you this ? Rolling Eyes
Germany have a problematically history and we don't need to be remembered at this. On this server we play a computer game and we don't insult other players in this way.

Zitat:

Don't play this game or change the server or the best cut off your internet because other nationalities are everywhere. This is called globalisation and you cannot stop it. Because people like that wars happened, people who hate other nationalities. If you support this guy (don't even remember his nickname) then you can surely make a terrorist organization killing all other nationalities or just polish, anti polish organization, mass attacks, sounds nice isn't it?


It's a long time ago, that I had read such a stupid stuff.

Zitat:

Now I request unban. Character name is '[Division.PL]-HellBull'. I was banned for the FIRST time and I suppose I deserve another chance, especially that ban was for something like that..


I see that you have no regrets and I can't see something like an apology. Unban ? I don't think so ....

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LoLz they banned you cus you say once word called ****?Buhahahahahah man man shame on you all....


If you think it's OK to call another player a n.azi, then the shame is on you. Klatsch
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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 12:09
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I learned the hard way that justice has many definitions here!

It's not right to call some1 n.azi thou.

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If the reason was different then yes, I can say I am sorry, but if the reason was like I said (and not knowing German language too well I cought up 'PL' in reason of attacking only me when I asked about it) then those words change meaning from apology to being sorry for his erm, mind...
About German 'problematic history'. I have nothing to it, that was the past, I never look at the past and maybe others should do so as well. I just hate racism. I can't change the fact that I am polish same like you can't change the past. I quite like Germany and have friends there. That's why I don't like when someone is looking only at my nationality or religion.

EDIT: He looked rather happy that I'll be banned then insulted...

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Kirk i didn't sayed this but if he only once sayed this then is bad but ban?Man man...i was several times banned on this server cus dunno why but when one from german is insuling us is right for you?Called us lagers bla bla bla and he got nothing ok maybe warning but no ban.Im not a kid.....
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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 12:33
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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 14:53
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Lagger is not an insult. I encountered Situations in which also German people were called laggers.

But I think you underestimate how offensive the insult N*** is for a german.
That's a very heavy word. Most people get a One-Way ban for it.
And it's not true germans are not sentenced on this server because of racist insults.
Somebody got a forum ban for posting some racist shit not so much time ago - and he was a german.

At all IceRacer, we don't have any problem with you being polish. We may have a problem with your clan policies, but that isn't depending on your nationality
Just cool down in fights. If someone is behaving not right in your opinion, tell him and try to clear the situation without letting any serious conflict develop.

Now, try to avoid an endless dispute and stop this flame. It isn't useful for anything.

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Beitrag Titel: Re: Banned for 'insult'?
Verfasst am: 07.12.07 15:58
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IceRacer hat folgendes geschrieben:
Ok I am tired of this. One 'dude' who is a very big 'anti-polish' was fighting ONLY me (later also other divi) and what was the reason? Because I am polish. ...


- Cause he's bashing you and called you "Lagger", you think that u can insult him a n*zi ???

- Cause you've be banned for this insult, you suppose that he is a "very big anti-polish dude" ???

- Forget that its's a Shooter? Rolling Eyes

- U know him from RL or otherwise ?, or why u suggest him this attitude ? Confused

- You think really that the adage " Offence is the best defence" is a good decision?

-Or told u this bullshit here, cause u think that Admins decision would be more soften??? Evil or Very Mad
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Beitrag Titel: Re: Banned for 'insult'?
Verfasst am: 07.12.07 16:26
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Carnivore hat folgendes geschrieben:

- Cause you've be banned for this insult, you suppose that he is a "very big anti-polish dude" ???


Ich war gestern bei der situation auch dabei und hab teilweise den dolmetscher gespielt ...

auf die frage, warum er Hellbull angegriffen hat, kam nur "weil er ein pl ist"
kA ob ichs gescreent habe, kann nachgucken wenn nötig.
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I've been present at this situation and partly translated for the parties ...

As answer to the question, why the guy attacked Hellbull, the answer was "because he's a pl".
idk if I screened this, can check it if needed.



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@DaRealProf
Sorry, didn't think about it that way. Although I didn't take 'lagger' as an offence, I took an offence from 'pl lagger' and the fact that he attacked only pl. Well that was a bit unfair from my side but I had a very bad day :S.

@Carnivore
- Read carefully
- Read carefully (I was talking about action in-game, not a ban)
- Then why people take offence? It's just a shooter...
- By his talk and action...
- I never said that, maybe that's your way of thinking?
- No, I wanted to solve this situation, if you think you know me well enough to talk about my way of thinking then sorry but you are wrong, now go blame someone else, that's not a topic about you. If you want to say something do it politely like DaRealProf. Otherwise there is no difference between you and flamers which makes your post useless.

@Thrawn
Thanks, I knew I understood it well back there .

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"weil er nen pl is"
is man auch nen **** wenn man schreibt "weil er nen oeg is?"
ihr spinnt alle komplett....
ich war sogar noch im ts als das losging..und die reaktionen waren sicher ned so als ob das jemand provoziert hätte

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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 17:26
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Kirki, he just had bad day, i know that doesnt give him permission to
call ppl n..., but he doesnt insult ppl normally, he behaves^^
It was first time and he plays here for a long time, earlier there wasnt such
problem with Ice.
This game releases to many emotions O.o

PS: Insulting is my profession here >.<

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**** is not just another insult, only if you don't know about WWII. But because of the fact that it's called WORLD-WAR and Poland has been involved, i think you know pretty well bout it.
When you call him a ****, you literally insult him to hate every other nation on earth, you insult him to be a massmurder, you insult him to be a oppressor, and more.
**** means Nationalsozialist and implicates the position of the NSDAP. That's a fact and has nothing to do with " I add the history of one word to it just to make it bad "- nosense.
So please check the background of a word before you use it.
You also have no proof that he was attacking you because of your nationality. Just because he is bashing you and calling you lagger (what's no real insult to me) you have no right to compare him to this assholes -.-
You know what I hate? People who have no clue and just flame with on eof the worst words the world knows.
You don't think **** is a bad word? You think it's only bad for us germans? They killed thousands of your ancestors. You don't give a shit on that one? Fine, than you give a shit on your nation. And then you're also a racist. But I don't think so. I think you also like your motherland, just as everyone of us. Just start thinking, and then start writing -.-

Ok, didn't read the last ones..."weil er ein pl is" hört sich allerdings nicht nach "weil er ein Pole ist" an, sondern eher nach "weil er ein division.pl is"

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Marn hat folgendes geschrieben:
You also have no proof that he was attacking you because of your nationality.

There were witnesses, that he was attacking Ice because he is PL.
Would you be happy if i start hunting you because you are DE, and start
calling you deutsche lagger?
About lags, we have very lame provider so this isnt any cheats, it doesnt
depend from us, russians are worse, and nobody insults them,
maybe OEG are not such threat for you???

Dont involve history to that, it was long time ago we are next generations
and now we all are in EU, personally i dont care about 2nd World War.

Like i said earlier this game releases to many emotions...

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Jason hat folgendes geschrieben:
"weil er nen pl is"
is man auch nen **** wenn man schreibt "weil er nen oeg is?"
ihr spinnt alle komplett....
ich war sogar noch im ts als das losging..und die reaktionen waren sicher ned so als ob das jemand provoziert hätte


an dieser stelle möchte ich nochmal klarstellen, dass ich bezeugen konnte, dass dieser satz gefallen ist. Ich habe mit meinem post für niemanden partei ergreifen wollen, nur ebend meine beobachtung kundtun.



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Verfasst am: 07.12.07 18:56
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Zitat:

There were witnesses, that he was attacking Ice because he is PL.

For example I get killed in the Omicrons because I'm from the [Federation], the problem with your Clan Tag is that you can't be sure if he means PL as Country our as part of your Clan Tag.
If he flames/insults against your Clan than that can be tolerated as RPG to some degree.
If he insults your country than he is targeting the person behind the computer, those kind of insults are punished rather hard.

Summery:
Its unclear what he targeted but YOUR insult was a harsh one against the person behind the computer, thats why you got your banned

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i agree, the same was with [PL]-Polish Legions,
if that would be possible i will post request to change clan tag and name
in next version of mod.
Than everything will be clear Idea

I know that his insult is extreme for you, but its was his first time,
will not repeat anymore, and he was provoked. 1 accident is really worth
ban? There are some other ppl who deserve it more Razz

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every time when someone called sb a *azi he got a one way ban,
so hellbull is no exception.
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IceRacer, if you would have acted as cool as your nickname indicates...

After all:
you announce in your Topic http://freelancerpl.mojeforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=728 to fight primarily against the OIA and OEG which is of course also your right. You talk alos about removal of [Division.PL] tagged chars out of Gamma due to political situation of your clan.
Then you talk about covert actions in Gamma with untagged and unrepped chars. Sure that's also your right.

But if somebody attacks only you in Alpha - probably because you were the only [Division.PL] clan member there - with the reason "because you are a PL lagger" does neither imply all the reproaches and wild accusations you wrote in your posts, nor this really awful saying (that I really don't want to repeat).

Didn't you expect an armed retaliation for deeds you already started? This I would call simple minded...

To the bad connectivity of some players:
as soon as I notice some connection problems I excuse myself and withdraw from combat. This is more honourable in my eyes than to jump like a rubber ball cause kills while lagging heavily are worth nothing. (my opinion)

Maybe the threshold for lag, fluct, loss etc. should be sharpened up again to prevent heavy lagging players. This can be prevented nobody can lag without kick, nobody would be accused (rightly or wrongly) as a lagger and everybody would be happy again - no flames, just clean battle.

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@Aquila
Well, don't want to be impolite but you should read carefully -,-. What I wrote there in that post right at the begining:
"Text was translated by me and I am sorry if I misunderstood any point."
Those rules were made by the leader of the clan, my role was only translating it and posting as our leader has not too much time and couldn't do it. I am no high ranked and this are not my points.

About the rest.
I am sorry for calling him ****, didn't know it's so hard insult (though he was still laughing...). I am not too well with history and didn't know about all of this. All I knew was that n... were very against Poland. Like Rapier said that was my first time and I give my word that it will be the last time. I had a very bad day, stress from trial matura exams (exams I need to pass to get on any university), problems in family (grandma has an alzheimer) and mixed with this, ok maybe not an insult but this calling pl lagger (which was when I just entered after kick so it was surely for me), made a bad mix and made me say that.
Once again sorry for that and hope to get a second chance.

P.S. I really didn't know it's so huge offence.

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Rules made for your clan members are also rules made for you. When you and your clan members attack undercover in Gamma you can expect the same in Alpha.
So it doesn't make any difference if you composed this text by yourself or "just" translated it.
(Btw several times you told someone to "read more carefully", but what about "write more carefully, Mr. IceRacer"?)

If you're looking for some really "nice" offence you'll find it probably there:
well... ^^

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Leviathan.pl hat folgendes geschrieben:
Kirk i didn't sayed this but if he only once sayed this then is bad but ban?Man man...i was several times banned on this server cus dunno why but when one from german is insuling us is right for you?Called us lagers bla bla bla and he got nothing ok maybe warning but no ban.Im not a kid.....

As Kirki said, if you call someone N.azi, this is much worse than laager. (I also get called Lagger very often in my sabre - and I'm proud of it Razz)

And if Ice Racer would just had said that he regretts what he said and won't do it again, he'd maybe be already unbanned again. But his Post here just made it worse for him.. Rolling Eyes
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@Aquila
If anyone else translate it and post it, would it be also my post? I was in order to post it and I did it, what else could I do? Change everything? Untagged characters and without our reputation are free to do anything they want. Beside what does this incident have in common with untagged characters? Please explain it to me becouse I cannot understand you in this case.

@Harvox
Yes, I posted it right after I tried to access the server and got the ban message. I was very suprised and mad. Also I still didn't know it's so much of an offence. Post of few people here made me realise. Now I feel sorry and feel stupid about what I've done. I now apology again and ask for unbann. I now know I've done something very wrong and stupid and I promise not to do that again.

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lol, Aquila are u collecting screens with me Embarassed ? lets just forget it Rolling Eyes

About Ice, if u have to, punish him but dont give him one way ban plz Confused

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