S.T.E²

Titel: **S.T.E²** Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:06

Viper, Aphex.
I don't give a **** about how much Viper did for modding, its not an excuse for cheating. Neither I don't give a **** about admins who turn the blind eye on truth. If you close this tread another will appear. If you will ban me - others will do it.

Right now everyone but FTI (who are either blind or stupid) are grouping to fight these cheaters. They are making fun of the whole server with absolute aim, gundamage impossible with their configs and superfast cb that is able to turn from 90 to 180 degree.

This tread is for people to talk, to collect videos, to tell how community feels about situation. By closing it admins will only admit that they side with the cheaters, so I suggest they don't.

I only blamed Komar and Limewire in cheating @4 years here. Now I can tell for sure that Viper modded his game to the max and are sharing it with trusted STE.

Let the witchhunt begin, as this this the only thing we can do at this point.

I already told you that you can close as many treads as you like, but this will only lead to more opening. Good job Nosfi, ignoring everything but the things you can prove wrong. Let's pretend the problem is not here and just close it, its much easier. But as I already said community is at the bail point. You won't be able to just shut everyone up. You will have to listen, or ban everyone left and right. Your choise?

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:07

kann man mit den admins nichtmal darüber im TS reden oder werden hier threads einfach random geschlossen?

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:07

amen aya !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9Ptd12KtE&feature=related

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:07

3 topics in, holy shit.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:07

amen

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:08

Maybe it would be possible to talk about that with an admin in Teamspeak?
i think there are some people who want to talk about that instead of using a forum.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:14

amen!

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:14

Amen

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:20

So far admins were as blind in this as they could be. I honestly don't know how they can judge evidence if they don't even play this game. Lots of old players from different sides are screaming out loud that certain players cheat, but they stick to the rules that aren't even working.

Face it. You won't be able to see cheat at this point unless its speedmod, snipercruiser or 360 degree shooting.

I suggest you find someone ~competent~ for such cases, or create some kind of circle for leaders of clans to judge such cases, or I don't know how else can you manage. Even in Komar's case after completely obvious video by menace you only started to dig something, thou I bet you just banned him to make community silent again.

If someone like Viper is cheating and you cannot catch him even with proof - something is very wrong with your very ways.

Cadet (Junior) 2nd Class Playtime: 47h Beiträge: 410

Stop annoy Admins

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:22

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:25

Amen I am not uberpwnzor but i got some experince what is normal and whats not and usually i dont like crying on topics like that who cheats but viper definetly makes me suspicious, nobody is unbeatable and neither is viper without his pwn tools

only thing admins should do is:
Listen to community if they are not convinced by material community gave them than demand from viper make his pwning video where he will make some easy ramps with his skill in the battlefield to prove us wrong, they say if he is not hiding anything he doesnt have to be scared but if he is than god help him.

Beside when we had 4strafe he couldnt own so much, so i am also suspicious this is one of reasons he gave admins hotfix to remove that.

So all i can say give us 4 strafe than lol xD

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:33

Zitat:

They are making fun of the whole server with absolute aim, gundamage impossible with their configs and superfast cb that is able to turn from 90 to 180 degree.

Very detailed and plausible accusation, the administration will surely investigate.

lol

Zitat:

Beside when we had 4strafe he couldnt own so much, so i am also suspicious this is one of reasons he gave admins hotfix to remove that.

So all i can say give us 4 strafe than lol xD

That doesnt even make sense, crash

Also, the fix was from adoxa, viper only wrapped it into a DLL.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:37

Irgendwie kommt es mir so vor, als wenn die Admins ca. 60 % der Spieler auf dem Server als dumm oder blind darstellen.
Denkt ihr wir saugen uns das hier alles aus den Fingern?

Pilot Officer Playtime: 419h Beiträge: 24

People like myself has playin perfectly fine since 2003 without 4 strafe so thats not the issue...

The issue is if it was anyone else who was under the sword, when basicly the whole community is against that player the admins would have done more then they are at the moment...

And just as Flex pointed out, I havent seen him for myself BUT if he is somehow moddin in someway it could be IMPOSSIBLE to prove it...

SO then your saying "you cant prove it, live with it!" and is that the way you really wanna go on the matter?

Well if thats the case I´ll be the first one to leave HC when it pretty obvious that something has to be done when the majority of the player base says that something is up about someone but due to tecnicalitys cant point out exactly what he is doing...

It is very easy to see when somene is usin "something" but trying to figure out what he is usin like in this case is a pretty harch matter to lay in the hands of the users with no tools at in a sense of fraps or what ever your usin...

And those have been presented, and even I can see that something isent right... Deny it as much as Tedi and Cursed did blaming circumstances but your a fool if you do...

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:42

wodi, why don't you log in sometimes in a smurf and actually fight? You will see some amaizing things.

The only thing I can think of at this point is forcing Viper or Aphex to make a video with pvping someone like me or Crash or Breeze. Only admins can demand this, and I doubt they will do it even in this case.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:44

Agreed. You know how long this list of players is who would want to see Viper, Aphex and many others accused of cheating prove their innocence and, if refused to do so, banned.

So do it. Your community is only a few more posts short of rioting stage, and you don't want your community to go that far.

Pilot Officer Playtime: 419h Beiträge: 24

Killswitch hat folgendes geschrieben:

Your community is only a few more posts short of rioting stage, and you don't want your community to go that far.

It´s actually more thruth to this then just dismissing it as an empty threat...

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:52

yea lets make riot and take control on server, we will elect new government xD

Revolution is on the way !

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:53

I have spent more than seven months being STE, I fought viper many times (even when he didn't know who I was).

I do not think that viper is cheating. In the internal STE Forum there is no kind of evidence or innuendo of a cheat viper could use.
Referring to the fights I had with viper I only can say that he is not a cheater. As I did almost one year ago in this Thread.

In my undercover-fights I had, when 3 or 4 P-S F1ed immediately after viper spawning in Theta, I fought him alone in 1vs3 (all STE) I did not see any suspicious things which could make me say: "viper's a damned cheater, ban him!"

I stick also in this year to my words:

Rhino hat folgendes geschrieben:

Wenn sich am Ende doch rausstellen sollte, dass Viper cheatet (was ich nicht denke), dann tragt mich als Depp des Jahres ein, aber meiner Meinung nach cheatet er nicht.
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If, in the end, it is clarified that viper really is cheating (I don't think that) then just call me "Idiot of the year", but still, in my opinion he is not cheating at all.

That is the opinion of someone who has been 7 1/2 months in that clan and left shortly after he asked how to become a co-leader of STE.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 00:59

Rhino, then how will you explain Aphex recieving godly aim in one day? His guns was below average and then bam! Menace level.

Pilot Officer Playtime: 419h Beiträge: 24

w0dk4 hat folgendes geschrieben:

Also, the fix was from adoxa, viper only wrapped it into a DLL.

"Thanks to a code donation by STE-VIPER 4 stafing is no longer possible"

So the patch notes was wrong then wodi? Razz

No disrespect man, not trying to point any fingers at you but somehow Viper seems more involved then that and the word on the streets is that he is doing a whole lot in the modding department for HC so...

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 01:02

I don't know whether APHEX "suddenly" got an "uber-aim" or not because I did not fight him today, I had almost no time to spend on Freelancer today.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 01:03

I've just spent watching every video posted on the initial thread only to find out that not ONE of those videos seems suspicious to me AT ALL.

WTF is up with you guys? I see like 3 guys being killed by viper, everytime there is a t least a second person firing on the "victim". Yeah, what a proof.

Zitat:

wodi, why don't you log in sometimes in a smurf and actually fight? You will see some amaizing things.

I will.

Titel: Verfasst am: 01.06.10 01:06

xXIceManXx hat folgendes geschrieben:

w0dk4 hat folgendes geschrieben:

Also, the fix was from adoxa, viper only wrapped it into a DLL.

"Thanks to a code donation by STE-VIPER 4 stafing is no longer possible"

So the patch notes was wrong then wodi? Razz

No disrespect man, not trying to point any fingers at you but somehow Viper seems more involved then that and the word on the streets is that he is doing a whole lot in the modding department for HC so...

I didnt write the changelog and no, as far as I know (Im a bit out of the loop), viper isnt really involved in our mod tech.